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By Hawk78 - 18/07/2011 9:06:37 PM

Hi All,

I now it's alittle early to be talking about the upcoming season, but I was just wondering what's everyones predictions on each team, how the ladder will shape up and why, and also any games anyones looking foward to watching?

By Hail to the Chimp - 19/07/2011 12:48:00 AM

I'm predicting a horror season from the Lions where they will win all their games by no more than 10 points and their stranglehold on the canteen monopoly will take a turn for the worse when their ill thought out High Fibre range of snacks leads to embarrassing moments on the field and a downturn in customers.

By Monkeyboy - 21/07/2011 2:45:12 AM

I think the most pressing question this year is will the Lions hold onto what they have built over the last decade. With a few of the members playing in the recent W/C, will they come back bigger, stronger and better than ever or will they start to fall apart? Will their slightly ageing team start to get weary. I'll bet they only get better. If that is the case, give them the cup now.

By JawJacker - 21/07/2011 7:33:38 PM

Having spoken to several guys from other teams, the numbers are looking healthy for most rosters for the GNSW 2k11 season.

This is a positive step in the right direction in regards to recruitment. Hopefully we can sustain the interest over the course of the season.

There will be a few surprises this season from a few teams, however we will have to wait and see. Its good to see some coaching moves as well as player moves between teams as well.

As for Sydney Uni WC Players or any NSW player who represented at the last WC, if they do not come back better players and athletes then something has seriously gone astray.

I know that the committment levels both on the field and off the field this season for our club in particular has dramatically improved and this will be the difference between being competitve or just filling the numbers.

We all know we have to knock the incumbent champions off their perch..so its time to put up or shut up.

Bring on 2k11 season now.. Smile

By Thomas in London - 28/07/2011 10:01:28 AM

Can someone tell me when will the season start? Is there a draft schedule or a weekend pencil for the start?

By Monkeyboy - 28/07/2011 6:27:41 PM

Thomas, I do believe it is the last weekend of August although the draw has been released as yet, not the I know of anyway.

By tenacious_d - 10/08/2011 4:37:29 AM

All is quiet on the Western Front leading into the season - unlike GNSW. Just checking to see how teams are going with their preseason preparations and the like. Any big signings in the offseason aside from Will Trigas to the Outlaws? I also heard through the grapevine that Pirates players were spotted while camped at Sydney U training sessions filming play calls. Not sure if that is true, I have unreliable sources. Will the 'Stangs and Sharks improve on the back of great seasons by their respective junior teams? I am putting my projections for the season up now so I can tell you 'I told ya so' come GF day

1. Predators

2. Syd U

3. UTS

4. Pirates

5. Central Coast

6. Bondi

7. Mustangs

8. Outlaws

9. Seahawks

By JawJacker - 10/08/2011 11:29:28 PM

tenacious d- Your humour is intriguing to say the least, but i appreciate your comments are in jest.

Things are quiet at the moment which is quite odd?? Everybody is to busy fine tuning those playbooks and belting each other around before week 1.

As for signings, i know from a coaching capacity that Jason Gaffey is Head Coach of the Outlaws (which will bring them back to some ol skool smash mouth football..)

I also hear that Antonio Piscioneri form the Pirates is now D-coach for UTS.

I hope your sources are unrelaible in reference to the Pirates cause if that were true then thats just low and not within the spirit of the game.

Even though the Pirates are not on my christmas card list, I highly doubt they would stoop to those levels to gain an advantage, they have enough talent on their roster to get it done.

On what basis did you rank the teams? You really must have a dislike for both the Outlaws and Seahawks who were both in the playoffs last year to put them at 8-9.

Well at least you put your balls ou there on the chopping block to incite a response from people.

I wont bother with predictions other than what i know as fact in that Sydney Uni will be the team to beat again, but i do know there will be some big surprises from a few teams this season.

By Two Dragons - 11/08/2011 12:58:18 AM

JawJacker (10/08/2011)

but i do know there will be some big surprises from a few teams this season.

Who are you referencing here?

I think that it will be the same 3 at the top and the same 2 fighting it out for 4th place (Seahawks & Outlaws). With the rest filling in the numbers.

Unless there is anything dramatic happening within the clubs I can't see anything happening this year.

By JawJacker - 11/08/2011 1:21:27 AM

Two Dragons- History suggests there are always surprises and a few upsets along the way. I'm not referencing any particular team or have any undisclosed information on clubs.

The gap is closing between most teams. You mix some teams who have been succesful in juniors with veterans and good coaches and you have a chance i.e Sharks and Mustangs.

One of the reasons for any teams success this season will be keeping a healthy roster free from injuries.

Not all teams have 50 players and towards the back end of the season some players have to play both ways.

In my opinion some clubs have depth issues when starters go down or are out for the season. This is where Uni have been the strongest over the years as they have a solid depth chart where some of their 2nd stringers would be starters on other teams

Thats just my 2c worth..

Looking forward to the 2k11 season Smile

By G-unit - 13/08/2011 6:05:39 AM

Draw now up on the league website

http://gridironnsw.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Div-1-2011-Draw-Ver-1.2.pdf

By tenacious_d - 14/08/2011 12:52:11 AM

Hey Jacker..... Yes some of my post was in jest.

DISCLAMER: I made up the stuff about the Pirates.....I assumed that was a given.

BigGrin

By Boom Boom Pow - 15/08/2011 10:11:29 PM

End of regular season (not including finals):

1. Sydney Uni

2. West Sydney

3. UTS

4. PC Gridiron

5. Sutherland

6. Mustangs

7. Raiders

8. Sharks

9. Predators

By Predwr - 17/08/2011 10:30:31 PM

I think some people may be quite surprised with some of teams that are just there to 'fill up the numbers'. I know prep has definitely been an issue for some teams but I am looking forward to seeing what some of us so called cellar dwellars have got to offer.

What goes up, must come down (In Syd U's case its taking way too bloody long to come down), but it always happens eventually. Most people will have fairly accurate predictions but I can't wait to see the looks on some coach's faces this year after the first few downs!

By Jammin - 18/08/2011 7:29:55 PM

Week 1 matchups

Seahawks vs UTS

Last years runners up vs playoff contenders. This will be an aerial battle and not much running, although Option offense is highly likely.

UTS have some returning players who will add some punch and i hear the Seahawks have a big roster this season.

Most likely a high scoring game from two solid offensive units. It will be the defense that will make the difference here.

UTS 35-21

Pirates vs Raiders

Pirates will most likely have same roster as last year bolstered by some additional players. It will be interesting to see the Pirates QB situation since Dave Ward is out but they are solid on Offense and Defence and have some mamoths in their team who can play.

Have not heard much from the Raiders camp and what they can offer but they do have some rep players and a highly accreditted coach so you never know.

Pirates 28-0

Lions vs Outlaws

Damn what a round 1 matchup this is going to be. This is going to be one physical game. Probably will not be a pretty one though considering its so early in the season and both teams will still be adjusting.

The Lions roster will most likely be much the same as last season and some juniors coming up. The Outlaws roster looks to be bolstered by some quality returning players and some decent juniors coming up this year now that Jason Gaffey is back as Head Coach, so expect some aggression and big hits from both teams.

The difference will be the Lions solid Offense vs the Outlaws tough Defence .

Conisdering they're both power running teams, we might see some aerial ping pong to mix it up which is where i favour the Lions.

Lions 28-14

Mustangs vs Predators

Mustangs suprsised many last year with their small roster and never give up attitude. they also took two big scalps (Seahawks and Outlaws). They are coming off a very succesfull junior season and some players would be transitioning to seniors.

The Predators seem to bring a large roster each season but just need to put it all together. This will be a run team vs pass team so it will be interesting to see how it comes together.

Whoever fires out the gates early will most likely run away with it.

Mustangs 28-21

By bobcat - 18/08/2011 11:19:21 PM

UTS 41 Seahawks 14
Pirates 21 Raiders 14
Lions 45 Outlaws 21
Mustangs 28 Predators 27

By Hoofhearted - 23/08/2011 2:32:32 AM

I'm feeling some upsets this year:

Game 1: Seahawks V UTS: 16-7

Game 2: Pirates V Raiders: 14-27

Game 3: Lions V Outlaws: 36-14

Game 4: Mustangs V Predators: 21-7

My Predictions for the end of year standings:

1. Lions

2. Seahawks

3. Raiders

4. UTS

5. Outlaws

6. Pirates

7. Mustangs

8. Sharks

9. Predators

By Predwr - 24/08/2011 6:43:16 PM

Raiders to beat Pirates? Sutherland to beat UTS? And of course this one is biased but, Mustangs to beat the Preds?

Not sure about those but I guess we will see!

By Monkeyboy - 27/08/2011 1:57:06 AM

My tips for the standings this year are

Lions

Seahawks

Pirates

UTS

Outlaws

Raiders

Sharks

Mustangs

Preds

This weeks tips

UTS by 14

Pirates by 7

Lions by 18

Mustangs by 23

Good luck to all teams involved.

Bring on the football.

By bobcat - 28/08/2011 6:37:01 AM

Lions 71 Outlaws 0
Pirates 28 Raiders 0
UTS 28 Seahawks 8

By Monkeyboy - 28/08/2011 7:56:36 AM

Bobcat, you typed in 71-0 in the Lions/Outlaws line. '

Surely this cant be correct.

By bobcat - 28/08/2011 9:35:50 AM

bear (27/08/2011)

Bobcat, you typed in 71-0 in the Lions/Outlaws line. '

Surely this cant be correct.

And they were missing a number of Wolfpack players too. The Outlaws are not even a bad side and they have a massive squad. The Lions just keep getting better.

By Love To Run - 28/08/2011 11:13:43 AM

Predators 26 Mustangs 6

By tenacious_d - 29/08/2011 12:46:25 AM

Hello All

I hope everyone had an injury free start to the season. Bring on week 2

By Jammin - 29/08/2011 7:18:43 PM

What a start to round 1

UTS vs Seahawks (20-8)

I didnt really see much of this game but from what i saw there was definitely some round 1 rust.

The Seahawks are a very young team and will only improve. they still do have a solid passing game which will only get better once they get their timing.

UTS played like the dominant big brother without being the bully. A few additons to their side have benefited them well. They are strong at QB/WR and RB on the Offense and have a pretty good D-line from what i saw.

Their secondary got left behind on some plays though so im sure Coach Bosco will focus will be on the long passing game.

Pirates vs Raiders (28-0)

The Pirates look like they will be around in the playoff picture. They are quite the team on both sides of the ball.

Thier offensive line seems to have grown a few inches as well. Their main players played hard football and if they stay healthy they will be up there in contention.

Their RB has a lot of speed once he hits the outside but was chased well by the Raiders linebackers and DB's. As usual they're very strong in the WR position with many options to go to. Although DAve Ward is out their back up did a good job.

On defense they have a solid D-line and LB group who play in your face and try to force the errors.

The Raiders look like a young side but are a vast improvement on their team last year. Coach Manera has really drilled some cohesiveness into them and they look like they will suprise a few teams this season.

They have quick WR's who really enjoy those deep routes and they showed they were not scared to run up the middle a very big Pirates D-line.

Lions vs Outlaws (71-0)

Although the scoreline was huge it really did not reflect the intensity that i saw. It does prove that the Lions are by far, two steps above any team in the league and it will take a giant effort to displace them at the top yet again.

4 TD on special teams really killed the Outlaws. The Lions offence is the complete package and dont really have any major wekanesses. they work together as one.

The world cup has really helped QB Klernan Dorney as he was calm in the pocket when the Outlaws Quick outside Linebackers put pressure on him.

The O-line is the same as usual, tough and uncomprimising. They did get away with some blatant holding, but hey thats football and you play to the whistle.

The Lions Defence blitzed all day and put presusure on the very young Outlaw Offence. RB Stuart Etcell had no chance in the backfield with multiple overload blitzes from the Lions as soon as he was handed the ball.

The Outlaws are definitely not a 71pt against team. They have a lot of rookies & have built up a large squad with Coach Gaffey at the helm.

Their Defence have really improved from the past seasons, but they got hurt with the amount of time they had to spend on the field and the Lions 'no Huddle Offense'. They have a solid Linebacking group with very strong and tough outside linebackers chasing down the ball and putting on a few solid hits which did jolt the Uni RB.

Their D-line lacked the experience against the Uni O-line who pushed them just enough to create the holes. They do however, have some huge mammoths on their D-line. (One guy was not suited up on the sideline who said he will be playing next week looked like he eats kids for breakfast...)

The Outlaws DB's really struggled and got schooled by Dorney's clinical passing game.

Predators vs Mustangs 26-6

This match was quite a tussle with the Predators experience getting over the line over the young Mustangs.

The Predators have a good young QB who can throw the ball a mile. their Offensive line were solid in pass protection giving him time to set and throw.

Their trips formations seemed to confuse the mustangs defence and caused a few mismatches.

The Defence ran some strange formations with only two down lineman on a few plays??but it seemed to work

Their D-line led by their Captain Nadim has definitely improved in size and strength from their previous rosters and put pressure to the Mustangs O-line all night.

The Mustangs are getting better each season which is a great sign for the league. They too had a lot of rookies who performed admirably in their first hitout of the season.

They have quick athletic players on both sides of the ball who will pick up their game once they understand the technique of football.

Thier Secondary is pretty good from what i saw with their rep players.

Anyway thats how i saw it for round 1 until I left cause Penrith is too bloody COLD!...brrrr Smile

By tenacious_d - 29/08/2011 10:06:19 PM

Nice write up Jammin. Good work mate.

Smile

By Jammin - 30/08/2011 2:30:48 AM

Doesnt it shit you when you write up a long winded forecast and the computer tells you..sorry session expired!

Anyway i thought id get it out of the way early whilst im trolling the net with nothing better to do. I hope the gala day up the coast is as good as what the Outlaws hosted. Those 5 snags are still playing up on me Smile

Round 2 Previews

Outlaws vs Predators

The Preds will be on a high after their deseved win over the Mustangs. I see a pass happy team vs a run heavy team.

The Preds will go to the air and test the Outlaws DB's like the Lions did, but the Preds Offense are not the Lions (no direspect intended..its just fact). The Outlaws will be looking to redeem themselves after the pounding they got from the Lions and all i can say is to be weary of the angry Outlaw led by their new angry Coach.

If the Preds stick to passing they might stretch the field but if they choose to run the ball their O-line will really need to move the Outlaws D-Line.(no easy feat as they are also very large). The Lions (no small frys by comparison either) did not necessarly push them back, they just did enough to open the holes.

The Outlaws linebackers showed they can muscle up with the Lions and did look strong. (their starters anyway.) and would love to lay some hits on the QB and RB.

Special teams will be key here as the Outlaws were by their own admission TERRIBLE.

I say the Outlaws will Win comfortably

Oultaws 21-0

Lions vs Raiders

This is going to be a very,very long day at the office for the young Raiders Defense. I see mismatches all over the field, but hey David did kill Goliath with one stone.

The Lions Offense will be in cruise control and Coach Dunne will probably still be tweaking his much coveted playbook.

Coach Manera on the other hand will need to hire some Mercanaries from Central America to pay the Uni O-line boys a vist if they are a chance.

I know the Raiders are a proud club and will fight every play but i just cant see anything other than a Lions pounidng again for the second week in a row. The Raiders do ahve a good QB who can throw the rock adn some quick receivers who like to get down field so i say throw it, at least its 50/50 then.

UTS vs Pirates

This is the game of the round and will show who has the goods to give Sydney Uni a run for their money. The Pirates backup QB performed admirably and connected on a few passes. They did mix up run vs Pass against the Raiders and im expoecting more of the same this weekend.

UTS on the other hand showed they can get beaten on the deep routes and will need to tidy that up fairly quickly. The UTS offense is no longer the typical spread offence they have run in previous years. I saw a lot of two back sets and misdirection.

The Lineman will be the difference here an i think the Pirtates have the Upper hand.

Pirates 21-14

Sharks vs Seahawks

The sharks will make their debut for the season and want to come out firing. They ahve 2 Australia reps and the current jnr National coach. The Seahawks need to improve their timing and pass prtection of their QB but have shown they have some speed at WR.

Their defence is pretty quick off the ball as well. This battle will aslo be won in the trenches and the Lineman will be a huge factor in the outcome of this game. If teh Seahawks can hold that pocket or the Sharks pressure the QB then thats where the W will come from.

I do predict an upset here for the home team.

Sharks 14-7

By Predwr - 30/08/2011 2:56:44 AM

Lovin' the write up's Jammin. Enjoyed the game reviews as I didn't get to see all of them.

Few interesting comments that I would like to see tested during games but you weren't too far off the mark for last week! Keep 'em coming!

By MustangsQB - 30/08/2011 3:58:28 AM

Mustangs vs Predators game report is live on www.wollongongmustangs.com

Good start to the season guys. Glad to have football back.

Love the new forum btw bear, and the Sydney uni lions have also launched a great looking new site for anyone that has not checked it out. Good to see that we are starting to get our act together with our web presence.

See you all round 3.

By Kiwi Wayne - 30/08/2011 6:03:19 AM

Love To Run (28/08/2011)

Predators 26 Mustangs 6

Great start, go the Predators!!!!!

By Lions53 - 30/08/2011 7:09:42 PM

Jammin (29/08/2011)

What a start to round 1Lions vs Outlaws (71-0)

... 4 TD on special teams really killed the Outlaws.

... The O-line is the same as usual, tough and uncomprimising. They did get away with some blatant holding, but hey thats football and you play to the whistle.

Nice write up ... just a couple of points ... first, the Lion's didn't score any points from special teams (we scored a few 2 point conversions when we weren't allowed to kick PAT's due to the risk of losing the ball over the fence - but there was no other special team's points)

Secondly ... Offensive in hold? Really?? There was one penatly for holding on the O-line (against me - which was a fair call) but to say that we were getting away with blantant holding is a cheap call. We drill ourselves to block legally and fairly within the frame ...

**ps ... yay The Bear has let me back on ...

By Jammin - 30/08/2011 7:16:41 PM

Predwr (29/08/2011)

Thank you for the compliments Predwr. I apologise in advance that I picked the Outlaws to beat you guys this weekend but hey im sure you & the rest of your team are definitely going to try and prove me wrong right?

I am a lover of all things football and females.. Smile

. I unfortunately support the worst team in the NFL, my beloved Clevand Browns and the Northwestern wildcats in college football (who are credited with the worst losing streak in history). For those wondering if i play or not, the simple answer is NO. (Old age and dementia have caught up with me).

I'm not affiliated with any club currently, but did play back in the day and still follow the game, so i'd like to think the limited brain cells i have left are good for something.

Im just trying to call it how i see it, without disrespecting any player or club, cause the trash talking between players and teams is already done on these forums. It would be good to see some official game reports on the GNSW page too, however I do understand all this is time driven.

I try to get out to as many games as possible to see what GNSW has to offer. I would one day love to see a national competiton here like a minature NFL or NFL Europe & hopefully the powers at be are working dilligently towards that vision. The day they do that i will reluinquish my anonnimity and become a season ticket holder.

Anyway im looking forward to round 2 and figuring out that i need to start hitch hiking now to make it to the Central coast on time. so its time to pack the swag and hit the lonely highway due north.

P.S As per my previous posts, those snags have gotten the better of me Ermm

By Jammin - 30/08/2011 7:34:49 PM

Lions53 (30/08/2011)

Jammin (29/08/2011)

Lions 53

thanks for your feedback. I must have been in line waiting for those snags then. Smile

My comments regarding holding is what i saw on some plays and you have the right to retort which you have done.

No disprespect intended at the Uni O-line and the rest of my comment about playing to the whistle, meant that in the trenches anything goes. Inisde the frame is definitely legal and im sure you work hard every training to do that (hence the success you guys have) but there were a few bogus ones which happen in football.

Being an old rusty lineman myself, maybe i was more focussed on your positional group than anyone else cause I appreciate sound technique and a unit working in unison, thats why when the Outlaws Linebackers got through on a few plays the Tackles did what they had to do and protect the QB, however in my opinon it was holding.

In hindsight, next time i wont make it sound as terrible as it probably did cause i do not want to take the gloss off the big win.. Wink

I'll be watching again on Saturday Smile

By Monkeyboy - 31/08/2011 11:40:06 PM

At least the Outlaws beat Uni on one thing and that is the Hotdogate from last year. To have snags and souvlakis is very forward thinking.

On a serious note. Good luck to the Preds this week. Glad I'm not playing the Outlaws.

By Predwr - 1/09/2011 1:15:37 AM

Jammin (30/08/2011)

Predwr (29/08/2011)

Of course we are going to try. Wasn't actually referring to the Outlaws v Predators predictions however I hope you are wrong about those. I'm still getting to know most of the players in the league as this is only my 3rd season but definitely keep the predictions coming!

By Matt87 - 2/09/2011 1:57:08 PM

glad to hear UWS has numbers. the trick will be having them stick around and develop together. Gaff will do a good job of that. Having both played against him and being on teams that he has coached I can vouch for that! So I am hopeful for UWS in the second half of this season… and certainly for 2012 and 13!

The key in my mind for improving the league and preventing 71-0 score lines lies in juniors.

Its no secret. The younger you start the better you are from 25-30. A key issue is transition from under 18s to opens… remind me again why the league removed the under 21s? I think that single decision did more to hurt the league than anything else. Talent doesn’t progress, guys get lost to other sports in the transition from high school to college… im sure there are cogent reasons, I just don’t know them and the harm is obvious!

There is no denying the strength of having guys progress from juniors to seniors. Right now at the Lions you have 10 or so guys who played in the juniors who have transitioned. The majority of that 10 and the core of the group are guys who played back in 2001 in the Bondi vs Uni under 21s colts grand final at Sydney Uni which had a crowd of hundreds pack St Johns!!! Today… 10 years later they still find that “winning is fun” so they keep doing it.

“what goes up must come down”... that’s a weak statement! what NSWGFL should be doing at every club is demanding that every element of their organization gets better. Everything from admin and executive to juniors to recruiting to strength and conditioning to game day discipline and execution, everything needs to get better ESPECIALLY AT THE LIONS. Coaches need to push harder, players need to lift more, receivers should be catching more passes, RBs dropping their 40, LBs hitting harder, DBs doing more gassers, QBs studying more and watching more film. If you want to get better then start by trying to get better!

Lions fortunes will ebb and change at some point, lets hope its because everyone else got better and not because a group of guys retired.

By DaveQB - 2/09/2011 7:19:07 PM

Matt87 (2/09/2011)

Lions fortunes will ebb and change at some point, lets hope its because everyone else got better and not because a group of guys retired.

The wisest statement I have ever heard you make Matt. I totally agree.

By Jammin - 2/09/2011 7:48:17 PM

Matt 87

Was trolling here at this roadside diner halfway up to the central Coast and saw your post. Youy make some valid points.

I just wanted to add, while the truck driver giving me a lift to Halekulani Oval finishes relieving himself..Geez its been 30minutes already?? Smile

)

Firstly, I'm sure that the Penrith City Outlaws are no longer referred to as UWS. Correct me if im wrong but they haven't called themselves that since 06?? (Its like calling my beloved Clevaland Browns, the Baltimore Ravens..woops thats actually true.. Smile

)

To comment on your points regarding the League, juniors is a fundamental part of any football program. It is evident that ther is a gap from under 18's then to division 1.

The 71-0 scoreline as you infer, in my opinion would have happened to anyone last weekend and unfortunately the Outlaws copped it first (and they actually looked strong in patches too, go figure?)

I do not believe in 7 man football either. We should either got to 9 man as they play that at National representative level or have an attempt at 11 man. I'm sure there are definitely enough players going around to fill those spots.

Yes those dastardly Lions have played together since Juniors, however that is irrelevant to their success. Their success is purely based on training like a professional team in the amateurs landscape. From speaking to some of them over the years they train 3 nights a week etc..(Lions 53 help me out here?) but the difference is they have consistently large numbers show up to every practice and they take it very seriously.

This aids the coaches as they dont have to start the same coaching again each week due to a player/player's not showing up progressing the team forward.

Also they really dont have an offseason. their players are fit and ready to go nearly all year round. Other clubs also have year round athletes i.e Stuart Etcell (Outlaws), Jean Prill (UTS) etc..but not the amount the Lions have.

Every other club would love to have that and im sure are doing their best to emulate the Lions, however the stark reality is that most other clubs struggle to have consistent numbers each week to practice throughout the course of the season.

I know every coach in the League pushes their playes harder in all aspects, but at the end of the day a coach cannot teach one thing? Committment! That is up to the player to want to be better.

Every club knows who the benchmark is and i don't think that even if some Lions players retire will make the slightest of difference as the next guy in would have learnt off the starters and glady fill his place. (That is a huge compliment by me to the Lions Coaching staff btw Wink

)

So what does this all mean you may ask? Well every other club needs to make themselves better by following the simple frameworks the Lions have set for themselves and abide by it religiously. Its not Rocket Science.

'If you wanna be the best and beat the best then you have to train twice as harder than the best!' Simple.

Ok its time to go as the truckie has given me the one fingered salute to get in the truck. Looking forward to this weekends matches.

By Load66 - 2/09/2011 8:27:01 PM

Lions train once a week.

Matt87 made one of the most valid points on this thread- why did the league go to U18s? We have seen a decline in quality and numbers of recruits coming up since they went to U18s, and it's time to stop the experiment. The "hook them while they're young" argument has proven to be invalid: let's go back to what was working well for the league. If we want to continue the dominance we have had at state and international levels, we need to make sure we don't have a 10 year void in recruitment.

By Coach19 - 2/09/2011 8:48:21 PM

I can't take it anymore... It's the beloved Cleveland Browns... and the Ravens are a separate franchise. The Browns kept their history.

Agree totally with the need to structure the Colts so that we get better flow through to Seniors.

Matt87 calls them UWS because he's old school.

And I really did laugh about the 3 night a week Lions training. Someone jerked your chain. It's only one night a week in season. One night and one day on the weekend pre-season.

By T-ROCKU - 2/09/2011 9:01:12 PM

I will weigh in on this topic as I remember the U21's comp, yes more recruits came through and not just the Lions Core group came through from this age group Dave Ward, the O'Donnell's, and a whole lot of players that contributed to the first state wolfpack champion team were in the U21's 90's and early 2000's state teams.

The decision was not even liked at the time and made while all the colt coaches were training the state team for trip to Victoria, no one asked the coaches at the time what they thought of the decision and these were the guys putting in the time to run that competetion and feild their 9 man squads. I was always thought of colts as reserve grade were players learnt the fundamentals of football, with the current format you cannot tech players the technique to disguise blitz or teach lineman to adjust to blitz stunts as they know presnap who is coming and from where, i have always thought this was bad.

However I think the best thing about U21's is that clubs can affiliate with a university and offer a university level competition where players can join a team to have a run knowing they are not competing with a 30 year old who has played 15 years just to get on the feild.

By Luxford - 2/09/2011 9:14:04 PM

7 man Football is not the problem..... The size of the field is the problem as it is too big and does not encourage blocking skills or forced run lanes...... I am nort against 9 man or 11man.... in 7 man football you can still double team, trap and pull, you can run inside zone scheme, outside Zone, Option, counter etc..... the problem is that why do all that when you can simply get the ball to the fast guy in space? now when these players move up to seniors they have the problem of not being able to avoid contact..... Also if you do not use the schmes in Juniors (because your team chooses to get the ball to the fast guy in space all the time) then your O line and D Line will not develop......

My thoughts for competition

Division1 = Age 23 and over (11man)
Division 2 = College ages 19 - 22 (9man)
High School = Ages 16-18 (7 man)
Junior High = Ages 13-15 (5man)
Youth = Ages 10-12 (5man)

By Hawkpeter - 2/09/2011 10:10:08 PM

Well, it only took 9 years to get to this string of posts. To revise, the age criteria was changed to fall into line with GA and IFAF for 2003.

By Monkeyboy - 2/09/2011 10:43:12 PM

Well done Pete. Were a bit slow up in NSW. Quiet news week.

By Monkeyboy - 2/09/2011 10:47:12 PM

3 out 4 tipped last week.

This weeks tips should be easier.

Outlaws by 20. If the Preds win they will be top 4 contenders.

Lions by 60.

UTS by 12.

Seahawks by 24.

Good luck to all.

By bobcat - 3/09/2011 12:07:14 AM

Coach19 (2/09/2011)

And I really did laugh about the 3 night a week Lions training. Someone jerked your chain. It's only one night a week in season. One night and one day on the weekend pre-season.

I think the point is that if everyone watched film and lifted weights then the standard would go up. I suspect the Lions may be the leaders in these two category's.

By MustangsQB - 3/09/2011 8:06:09 AM

Coach19 (2/09/2011)

I can't take it anymore... It's the beloved Cleveland Browns... and the Ravens are a separate franchise. The Browns kept their history.

Amen fellow browns backer

By Matt87 - 3/09/2011 11:42:44 AM

Keep and grow under 18s. We clearly have demand for the sport in high schools, especially with the rise of NFL on free to air TV and the growing ease of access to ESPN content.

Bring back the under 21s level. The value for the league in drawing from University pools is massive! and it give that coveted stepping stone which is critical to increasing the percentage of success in talent pass through from under 18s

Strengthen D1. have the clubs use their "flagship" team to pour into the younger teams. Captains and senior players coach under ages, exceptional players in younger levels train with the D1 team as a white shirt (no contact). And seniors show up to your juniors games, get to know the kids and their parents!! You will have a stronger D1 team in 5 years because of it.

lets stop thinking about right now "71-0 would have happened to anyone" and start thinking about 10 years from now. WC 2019 should be a target. The Australian team hung with the European champions because they had talent coming in from every corner of the country.

Paul M's words after the Korea loss in 2007 to the national team: "take this experience back to club, make your club better so that your league is better so that the national championship are better so that we can take the best team possible to the world cup"

Make your team better. Don't wait for someone else to do it, or hope that the status quo will regress such that you appear competitive... just make your team better!

Good luck to all the teams, players and coaches this weekend.

p.s. my pick for the week: UWS to crush the Pred (no offense to the Predators its just that I believe the big blue steam roller is coming back)

By Love To Run - 4/09/2011 3:26:17 AM

Outlaws 26 Predators 0

Disgraceful performance from our offense today. Defense kept us in it in the first half with Outlaws up 6-0 at half time but the D spent to much time on the park in the second half. Plenty to work on

By Luxford - 4/09/2011 5:21:55 AM

Hi Does anyone know the scores from the other games or the round?

By Gaff - 4/09/2011 6:37:25 AM

Outlaws 22 - Preds 0
Lions 35 - Raiders 0
Pirates 24 - UTS 20

Dont know that last game yet

By Luxford - 4/09/2011 8:10:29 AM

Thanks Gaff..... The Pirates UTS game seemed close......... The Raiders seemed to keep the score respectable......

By bobcat - 4/09/2011 10:50:12 AM

Seahawks 22 Sharks 18

By DRaider - 5/09/2011 11:26:47 AM

bear (2/09/2011)

3 out 4 tipped last week.

This weeks tips should be easier.

Outlaws by 20. If the Preds win they will be top 4 contenders.

Lions by 60.

UTS by 12.

Seahawks by 24.

Good luck to all.

Lions by 60?! I dont think so.

By Hillslegend - 5/09/2011 6:54:02 PM

DRaider - you are dreaming if you think you can come onto a public forum and boast about losing by only this much rather than that much - a loss is a loss and you blokes should be kicking yourself for not taking/finishing the oppotunities you had in that game.

Your attitude right there is the reason why your team will be wooden spooners for the 2011 season.

By Monkeyboy - 5/09/2011 7:08:52 PM

DRaider, please. Now you take yourself seriously after the fact. I got 3 out of the 4 wrong. Didn't see no tips from you before the game. It is all in fun. But keep in mind Lions had how many of their guns missing? You guys played well wont take that from you. Ran down the clock. But you now want to think you are a threat to the Lions or want to big note yourself. Mate your kidding yourself.

Don't take the tips too seriously. If there was money on it, it would be a different story.

By Koala - 5/09/2011 8:53:13 PM

I'm not sure Draider was boasting about not losing by a wider margin. I'm not sure any competitive person would 'boast' about something like that. Nobody is disputing that a loss is not good enough. But their QBs looked like they took an absolute beating and need to learn how to get rid of the football. They took a lot of sacks which probably hurt the raiders scoring execution more than anything else.

On a similar note (and no Hillslegend I'm not boasting about a loss), it's good to see the sharks getting close. Playoff bound perhaps??

By Hillslegend - 5/09/2011 9:26:40 PM

Koala - the sharks should have won that game. The Seahawks scored with little time remaining, so yes I agree with you that they are possibly a finals bound team but no way in the world would they (or should they) be happy with being that close!

Neither Predwr or I have come on here and said wow 22-nil loss to the Outlaws, better than it has been in the past - massive losers attitude (which is why the Raiders will come last this season), we were so disappointed with what happened on Saturday because we believe we can win this competition.

By Predwr - 5/09/2011 10:09:38 PM

Predators D played like champs on the weekend, keeping outlaws to only 6 points for the first half (very nearly 6-2 after the PAT was blocked, picked up and almost returned, only to be tackled 20 yards out).

Our O played like a bunch of old women... We can't expect to win a game, let alone a comp playing like that. If our D had a better offense to compliment it, the story might have been very different.

Was good to see the raiders being able to run the ball respectably against the lions, shame about the scoreline.

Feel like I should have stayed to watch the central cost play! Nice work Sharks!

P.S - I would like to seperate myself from the Raider/wooden spooners comment. Would prefer to let the football do the talking!

By DaveQB - 5/09/2011 10:27:23 PM

I don't think it is fair to generalise a teams attitude based on 1 person (you assume is from the Raiders) making 1 comment on a forum. This could quite well be the exception to the rule, could possibly be the only player on the team that seems very happy with a loss.
Additionally, setting goals is crucial in getting to your main goal. A coach, or players may not publicly say it but if a goal is to half a losing margin, for example, when playing the same team from one game to the next, and this is achieved then it is a step in the right direction. The obvious need next is to reset that goal to something greater and doing things differently/better in order to make that goal come to fruition.

But saying the Raiders will finish last because an anonymous person on a forum made a small comment is a bit of a stretch. Saying it based on something more substantial is another thing.

By Predwr - 5/09/2011 10:34:46 PM

Well said Dave.

Can't say i wouldn't be happy about keeping them to that score but pretty sure we all aspire to more than just not losing by too much.

By Jammin - 5/09/2011 10:48:54 PM

Whoa, whoa wait a minute.

I'm just getting back home from the Central Coast and i read some trash talking here...SMDH!

Mr Jammin would like the floor please..

First of all, I can see how the comment by D Raider can be taken as a gloat although i don't feel it is. You win some you lose some. some people get fired up when their team is predicted to not only lose but get pumped but hey thats what makes predictionsl great

Hills Legend: Wow you really went for the jugular here, I now look forward to watchin Raiders vs Predators this season. Good to see Predwr giving an honest opinion on how his team faired agains the Outlaws and trying to tone down the anger. 'Thats a good teamate'

DaveQB: A trusty veteran like yourself brings much wisdom to the young uns of this league..Well said.

Predwr: From what i saw your team is really on the up from previous seasons. You will take a lot from the loss. The Outlaws D were really fired up after their embarassing scoreline last week.

I did notice their D-Line grew by about 350kgs as well,as they had guys out there who did not play against Uni and they made some Linebacker adjustments in the second half. Your Offensive Line tried hard all game but did not execute their blocking assignments and their blitz pickups were terrible. I'm sure coach Levin will focus on this.

You did string some passes together but unfortunately could not drive it all the way home. Your running backs also took a poundng but my hat goes off to the small guys cause they kept coming back.

Predators are no longer the easybeats and keep your head up and get the W next round.

Forums can easily turn negative and i for one am trying to talk our league up and the players in it to get it to the level it deserves to be, not go down easy street

Cheers

By Monkeyboy - 5/09/2011 11:12:54 PM

Jammin, good to see you made it back safe to wherever you are.

Wheres the round ups?

P.S. Well done to the League for keeping a closer draw than last year.

By Steamin Louey B - 5/09/2011 11:56:25 PM

I thought the raider played a solid game. They certainly showed us that we have a lot to work on if we want to be the kind of team we know we can be. Yes, we had quite a few starters out but that's no excuse. The Raiders lost their starting QB for a good portion of the match and they still moved the ball on us.

Interesting result from the UTS / Pirates game! When I heard that Dave Ward was out, I thought this season was going to be a HUGE struggle for them but getting up over UTS is great to see. I realise that UTS was missing a few starters (especially in their offensive backfield) but it's still a great win.

And great to see the sharks get so close. Well done guys. The only question is have from that game is if you can put up 18 points in one quarter, why could'nt you do it in the other three??

Keep up the fight!

Louey #37

By Jammin - 6/09/2011 1:00:31 AM

This is how Jammin saw it, apologies i lost half my my notes of the later games. Do'h

Predators vs Outlaws

The Predators were down at the half 6-0. Predator’s offence really failed to fire at the Outlaws tough Defence. What surprised me is that the Predators ran the ball a lot more than i thought and full credit to their Running Backs who took a beating from the Outlaw D-line and Linebackers and wilfully kept running just as hard.

They had a few nice pass plays, but never really continued any sort of momentum. The Preds QB is a very agile player and got outside a few times and ran the ball. The Outlaws offence were not progressing and credit goes to the Preds Defence for only holding the score to one TD. They did well to contain RB Stuart Etcell in the first half.

The second half really saw the Outlaws lift the intensity to another level. Coach Gaffey really fired up his team and all i can say is I’m glad i don’t have to cop any of his sprays. (You know its open season when he was unleashing on his captains).

The second half saw the Outlaws outmuscle the Preds. A few defensive adjustments at Middle Linebacker (No 54 went in there where the number rightfully belongs ala Brain Urlacher). The play calling hurt the Predators Offence continuity particularly middle blitzing. The Preds offensive Line could not get the blitz pickups and block protection for their QB.

The Outlaws O-line finally started making the holes for RB Stuart Etcell and then he did the rest. The Preds defence were spirited but spent too long on the field and fatigue set in. (I still do not understand two down lineman formations against a run heavy team? (help anyone, anyone)

The Preds Offence in the second half could not find the answers to breaking the Outlaws defence, they tried several long passes, pitches, slants etc.. but were continually stopped. They did make it to the Red Zone a few times and really got hit hard. The Outlaws front men paved the way for the Linebackers to take over and the constant pressure forced a crucial pick. A good win by the Outlaws. They look like a dark horse and the Preds live to fight another day.

Lions vs Raiders

Now this is the game I was expecting the Lions to fire out the gates and absolutely wash away the young Raiders. Did that happen? Absolutely not! The Lions Offence looked flat and sloppy and full compliments to the Raiders Defence for playing tough football against the champs. QB Kiernan Dorney looked like a mere mortal and his passes were not working. The run game did not fare much better either even though Liam Erby was back.

The Raiders Offense just ran and ran and ran the ball to the Lions D which also chewed up the clock. The Raiders made some good yards with their big RB up the guts and at one point, I though the Lions D would crack, but they didn't. Back to the blitzing and swarming tackles they went and executed. An injury to the Lions WR looked quite nasty as well (Can i have a status update on him?)

The second half was much different and saw the Lions play back to what is the usual expectation of them. Their timing was back and they made yards on the ground. Their constant pressure got them the win. The Lions O-line in the second half was a vast improvement and they executed their assignments well.

The Raiders in the second half tried to run a similar game plan to the first but were outmuscled. I was very impressed with Coach Manera's team and like I have said before, they will force all the other teams to respect them in this league. I did notice a few players play both ways as well which is a testament to their discipline. In the end a hard fought win to the Lions.

UTS vs. Pirates

This match had everything, big hits, big yards and stoppage due to electrical malfunctions as well. The Pirates played like a team who is serious about knocking off the Lions and UTS were in their way.

The Pirates mixed up well with run vs. Pass and had some strong performances from their key players. The Pirates young QB (name please??) is really impressing this old duck filling in the big shoes for Dave Ward. The O-line looked to gel well and pave the way for the RB’s throughout the game. The Pirates D-line played well with another solid performance by DE Shannon Lynch. Their Linebackers were also tough and uncompromising attacking the football.

UTS weren’t that bad either, they suffered a big loss when their D-lineman Mike Harper went off injured.(Can I get a status on him please). To lead 20-12 in the last quarter, I thought UTS were going to grind the clock and get the W but unfortunately could not execute. UTS are definitely not out of the hunt just yet, they need to strengthen their second level defence which was exposed by the Pirates run game.

The UTS offence is still quite dangerous with their running backs and receivers. I still feel this game could have been won by either side and the stoppage just killed any momentum UTS had. It will be interesting to see how UTS bounce back from this loss and a key injury as their next game against the Raiders will not be easy. I still feel they are a playoff team. It was a tough and gritty win for the Pirates.

Sharks vs Seahawks

The Sharks played a very spirited game and looks like there is another running team added to the addition of the Outlaws, UTS, and Lions run heavy teams. This game went down to the wire, where a deep bomb got the Seahawks the W. I will say that the Sharks inexperience was the defining moment to getting that win against much fancied opponent.

The sharks impressed with their solid running game and busted open a few holes. Their O-line was very impressive making way for the quick Running backs to carve open the field.

The Seahawks look like they will be the Jekyll and Hyde of the competition. There were two sides to them during the course of the game. The Seahawks passing game was still a threat and they trusted their instincts and went for it with about 30 secs left? Fortunately for them they got it. I think the Seahawks are not the team they were last year and will most likely fall out of the playoff picture. They do however; have youth on their side who are willing to play 4qtr football.This was a true battle in the trenches where the Lineman was either trying to protect or sack the opposing QB.

What a great footballing feast up the coast, it was a great day and the standard for the 2k11 season has already improved on last year. Every player in the league should be proud that they are playing in the toughest league in Australia and yes im being unconditionally biased!

By Predwr - 6/09/2011 1:31:57 AM

*Printed for the train trip*

I like to hold onto some print outs like this for any public transport trips I have to make (damn car is at the mechanics so this has been saved for the bus). I did however cheat and read the Preds V Outhouses game report. All pretty accurate except that you mentioned our O line wasn't stopping the blitx through the middle. No blitzing came through the middle. Those 2 farm houses they have for linemen are great run stoppers but didn't seem to agile when it came to getting in the backfield. All the pressure came from the edges, which unfortunately, we just couldn't/didn't stop!

Sounds like the team of the week was the Sharks! Didn't see the game but it sounds like they are going to go somewhere in this league if they keep up this rate of improvement!

By Jammin - 6/09/2011 2:04:31 AM

Predwr (5/09/2011)

PredWr: I beg to differ regarding middle blitzing. I did see the Outlaws hit your A-B gaps unless my cracked glasses and old eyes deceive me. If you have a copy of the game tape, I'm sure you will watch it. If im still wrong I stand corrected my friend

As for those Outlaws farm houses, wouldn't it be good to rock up to an all you can eat place with the both of them by your side? Smile

I love a sport that unconditionally rewards the gentecially gifted large folk of our society, that includes me too. Smile

I'll leave you with a question. How agile can one be who weighs more than my Toyota Camry?

By DRaider - 6/09/2011 9:19:39 PM

Hillslegend (5/09/2011)

DRaider - you are dreaming if you think you can come onto a public forum and boast about losing by only this much rather than that much - a loss is a loss and you blokes should be kicking yourself for not taking/finishing the oppotunities you had in that game.

Your attitude right there is the reason why your team will be wooden spooners for the 2011 season.

Wow! welcome to the forum to me!

@Hillslegend:

Boasting was far from what i was going for... and i am under no illusions - a loss is a loss.

I was more getting at when was the last time the Raiders went down to USyd but THAT much? Plus how often do u see 50+ point games?

There would have to be something going seriously wrong.

I was more inferring that Raiders played better (and are capable of better) than a 60+ scoreline.

@Bear:

im not claiming the Raiders are the next team to bring down the Lions.

By Predwr - 6/09/2011 10:41:10 PM

Jammin: It is a possibility, however I spend most of my time at wingback or slot so its harder for me to see. Only going on what my QB, C and guards were saying.

In answer to your question, have you ever seen Dwight Freeney do his agility tests? Pretty insane. Then again, I doubt we are dealing with Probowl calibre D Linemen!

Projections for the weekend?

By Jammin - 6/09/2011 11:41:11 PM

Predwr (6/09/2011)

Thank you Predwr.

Dwight Freeny is a pro bowler in the NFL. I think all the GNSW boys are a little off that level...just a little Smile

By Predwr - 7/09/2011 12:30:39 AM

My point exactly Jammin Wink

By Jammin - 7/09/2011 12:33:59 AM

Hello my people,

I have had to decide on which games to attend so i went back to my old trusty methodology which is drawing straws.

Week 3 projections

Raiders vs UTS

This will be an interesting match up. I'm really curious to see how UTS bounce back from that tough loss to the Pirates.

I'm sure Coach Bosco would have really fired up his players this week asking them to shake that loss and show the league they are still a contender. I still see they are strong across the key positons and will probably even run some spread against a Raiders run heavy Defence.

The Raiders will be in high spitrits after taking it to th Lions in the first half and will want to do the same with UTS. Hit them hard and early. I think they will stick to their run game and grind out the clock and hope to make those yards up the guts to a depleted UTS defensive line.

The key here will be how well the Raiders Defence play against two back sets and possible spread formations. Although the Raiders are much improved I am weary of tipping against the Gators who are still a top three team.

Gators 28-7

Mustangs Seahwks

Seahawks will be going into this game on a high after a long 50/50 bomb was executed and got them the big W last week. They are still strong in the pass game and will go to the air like usual looking for their best WR Brandon Martel.

The Mustangs are coming off the bye which would have helped them shake off any cobwebs and fine tune their playbook. I think the Mustangs will also try their hand in the air.

So this leaves us with a game of aerial ping pong. Although the Mustangs are vastly improved I have to give it to the young Seahawks who showed they can play 4qtr football.

Seahawks 42-14

Outlaws vs. Sharks

This looks to be the game of the round. The Sharks surprised many with thier run game and solid play. they were extremely unlucky to lose a game to a last ditched bomb and will be kicking themselves for it. This game will be run vs run.

The Sharks O-line will really need to step up to give their RB's any chance of making the yards and moving them chains. Their Defence will also need to work on their pass coverage just incase the Outlaws surprise them with any long passes downfield.

The Outlaws will be happy to come into this game with a solid win under their belts. The Outlaws O-Line need to improve as well to ensure RB Stuart Etcell has time to do what he does best, run. Their passing game will need to be firing if they want to avoid the Sharks putting 8 in the box to stop Etcell.

The Outlaws Defence showed how tough they are and a very strong in run stopping. Their big D-Lineman will need to shut down those gaps paving way for their tough linebackers to make the plays. Their pass coverage was a lot stronger than the previous week.

Tough call but I say Outlaws 28-14

Predators vs Pirates

The Preds will be going into this game a little battered and bruised from playing the Outlaws. They surprisingly ran against a run heavy Defensive team and held their own for a half.

I highly doubt they can run this scheme consecutively agaist the very large Pirates & be successful. I think the Preds will go back to the air and run their balance and trips bunch formations.

The Preds Defence will need to respect the Pirates run game and put bodies in the tackle box. Their pass coverage was ok last week but needs to improve against the strong Pirates WR's.

The Pirates will be confident going into this game and will hit hard early trying to dictate the terms. They will mix the pass vs run to confuse the Preds Defence.

The Pirates Defense looks on paper too big and to strong for the Preds offence. Their D-Line/Linebackers will try and force the QB to rush his decison making and put constant pressure on him.

Pirates to win comfortably

35-7

Smile

By Monkeyboy - 7/09/2011 12:39:24 AM

DRaider (6/09/2011)

Hillslegend (5/09/2011)

DRaider - you are dreaming if you think you can come onto a public forum and boast about losing by only this much rather than that much - a loss is a loss and you blokes should be kicking yourself for not taking/finishing the oppotunities you had in that game.

Your attitude right there is the reason why your team will be wooden spooners for the 2011 season.

DRaider, welcome to the bear. Hope you have fun. I can sense it has been pleasureable for you already.

I didn't mean to offend you or any of the other Raiders guys with my picks. As you can tell from my picks and the results played out, I am a bad judge. I dips my lid to the result on the weekend. I am the first hopeing to be proven wrong if the Lions lose. I don't care who brings down the Lions, just somebody do it already Smile

By Matt87 - 8/09/2011 10:21:56 AM

Question: what makes a club in our league a contender? I’m thinking of the Outlaws and Seahawks of 2000/1/2/3 the Pirates of 05/06/07 or the Raiders back in the 80s (or whenever it was that they claim to have won 57 state titles)

Is it NATURE or NURTURE?

Do these teams recruit exceptionally well and thus have talent

or

Do they build and develop players from average to above average?

By DaveQB - 9/09/2011 8:52:48 PM

Matt87 (8/09/2011)

I think it is the former unfortunately.
With the constraints all teams have in regards to training time and resources of all types, not much change can be made to players generally. Some players take it outside of team time to get better and I think this helps, but for the most part you make a good team by landing good players that only need to be taught the rules and strategy of the game.

That is my thought off the top of my head. I'd like to be proved wrong.

By Monkeyboy - 10/09/2011 7:41:46 PM

Good luck to all teams this weekend. Should be some good match ups. My tips for this week are

UTS by 20.

Seahawks by 12.

Outlaws by 20.

Pirates by 6.

By Love To Run - 11/09/2011 9:10:05 AM

OUTLAWS 28 SHARKS 12

PIRATES 32 PREADATORS 14

By Gaff - 11/09/2011 9:18:43 AM

UTS 38 Raiders 14
Seahawks 36 Mustangs 28

By Panda - 11/09/2011 11:46:06 PM

Hillslegend (5/09/2011)

Neither Predwr or I have come on here and said wow 22-nil loss to the Outlaws, better than it has been in the past - massive losers attitude (which is why the Raiders will come last this season), we were so disappointed with what happened on Saturday because we believe we can win this competition.

Okay Legend so you're now 1-2. Still believe you can win it? (and you haven't been smashed by the Lions yet either. or UTS come to think of it). Interesting huh?

By tenacious_d - 12/09/2011 1:29:19 AM

Hmmmmm

(strokes beard)

By Jammin - 12/09/2011 8:35:19 AM

Well round 3 has come and gone.

I had to make the difficult choice of travelling to Pennant Hills or Revesby. Considering the game matchups i thought it would be best to serve you all by watching the games played at Pennant Hills.

This is how Jammin saw it Smile

Outlaws vs Sharks

This proved to be quite an entertaining game on both sides of the ball. The Sharks were outplayed tonight by a strong and committed Outlaws team.

I predicted run vs run, this lasted for about a half then the Sharks chanced themselves in the air. The Sharks Offence could not get their timing and it looked like Coach Gaffey was always one play ahead of Coach Peter Tos.

The Sharks look like a young side who are probably a couple of seasons away from being a serious contender, however I have yet to see a team this season play with such heart as the Sharks. They were decimated with injuries and had guys play both sides of the ball and never gave up.

The Sharks did string some nice long passes down field and scored two solid TD's. After that though, they could not find their groove and were continually stopped. The Sharks defense played admirably and were beaten by fatigue and numbers as well. They got a couple of blocked kicks as well which was positive.

The Outlaws offence were really fired up for this game and the Offensive Line laid the foundation for RB Stuart Etcell to have yet another top class performance. This kid can run and run he did again and again and again.

The Outlaws also tidied up their passing game which worked well against the Sharks run heavy D. A great one handed catch by one of the Outlaws receivers for about 25yds was very impressive.

The Outlaws D showed that they will be a definite force and will be respected in this league. They have a D-Line who probably individually outweigh my Toyota Camry that pave the way for their Linebackers to clean up. Their linebackers are quick off the ball, tackle happy and love to swarm to the ball.

Again they were almost unbeatable on the run and the underneath routes but were very susceptible to the long pass. Coach Gaffey will really be focusing on this Achilles heel when they play against pass happy teams.

A great game to watch and a very convincing win for the Outlaws

Pirates vs Predators

How wrong was i here. I predicted an easy victory for the Pirates, however that did not happen. The Predators considering they were at home came to play.

The first half was almost a comedy of errors on both teams. One Punt attempt seemed to change hands four tiems before the Pirates got the ball. (note to Preds: If the punter muffs a kick, call POISON and get the hell outta the way Smile

The Preds offense strung some nice plays together and showed heart against a much larger opponent. Their QB as stated before is very athletic and can throw the ball down field. Their O-line again struggled on the blitz pickups ans max protection which forced the QB to scramble more often than not.

The Preds D performed well in the first half containing the Pirates to only 6 pts. Their D-line really worked hard all night to lead the way. I still see some inexperience form the Linebackers and safeties in their cover down rules and rolling coverage responsibilities.(and i don't even know their playbook ) but i guess that will improve with time.(Don't jump down my throat here its just how it looks on the sidelines Ermm

)

Again they spent too long on the field to be effective for 4 qtrs.

The Pirates Offence could be defined with one word UGLY Whistling

This was not the free flowing pass happy outside running team i normally see.

They did make the yards in the first half but it only garnered 6pts. That would have been disappointing for Coach Taylor to be at the half. They definitely have talent at WR and a lightning quick RB, but credit to the Preds D as they shut him down when it counted at the half. The second half was a different team and they went back to their run vs pass and executed very well.

The Pirates Defense is also a very solid and tough unit. They also have some big boppers on their D-line who hit the line hard. Their was even a cameo appearance by Nathan D'Cunhua on D who got a monster QB sack.( how many yards was it?)

Their Linebackers are also very strong and are another tackle happy unit who swarm well to the ball and tackle. Their DB's are quick and cover reasonably well albeit got beaten a few times down field.

An ugly but good momentum win for the Pirates keeping them undefeated after 3 rounds. In summary the Outlaws and the Pirates look to be in the playoff picture at the end of the season while the Sharks and the Preds will get some more W's but i don't see them contending.

This is how i saw it and thank you to all four teams for some good honest football..

BTW, those hot dogs went down a treat and helped my already expanding waistline. BigGrin

By Hillslegend - 13/09/2011 2:20:08 AM

Panda - yes I still think we can and will.

By tenacious_d - 13/09/2011 3:03:50 AM

Hillslegend you sound alot like a shit stirrer, I am also willing to say that you are not even a Predators player.

So maybe you can put your money where your mouth is and tell us who you are, seeing as you are so bold with your predictions and put downs of other teams.

By Panda - 13/09/2011 5:26:44 AM

Hillslegend (12/09/2011)

Panda - yes I still think we can and will.

Legend I salute your enthusiasm and eternal optimism (even though I don't share your sentiments) . It's good to see that you're backing your team and that's a noble quality.

Just to clarify, I'm talking about the entire season and your chances of winning. Surely you're just talking about your chances against Bondi this week?!?!

By Hillslegend - 13/09/2011 6:28:30 AM

Panda - if I were not optimistic I would not be playing.

Tenacious - Team, not teams. DRaider got on to this forum and got all excited about only losing by so much. I will discuss with you at training.

By Panda - 13/09/2011 6:42:20 AM

Optimism is a good thing Legend I agree, it just seems that you're rather down on the Raiders then. Why the hate? And of course you haven't answered the question - you still think you'll win the competition and you get beaten by a second rate Pirates team that isn't very good (according to Jammin) and you haven't faced UTS or the Lions. Optimism is one thing but lunacy is another.

Still, it's nice to dream I suppose Smile

By Luxford - 13/09/2011 6:53:34 AM

Good evening..... Not sure why there is all the shit stirring...... Every Team is just trying their best to win each week..... The competition seems closer this year.....

By Monkeyboy - 13/09/2011 6:43:09 PM

Luxford (12/09/2011)

Good evening..... Not sure why there is all the shit stirring...... Every Team is just trying their best to win each week..... The competition seems closer this year.....

Luxford, the competition for the 3 weeks has been great. The lower placed teams from last year seem to have really lifted their game. Dare I say, the tops teams from last year have dropped a bit. The draw was also much better designed than last year where I think the Sharks and Mustangs played the Lions and UTS in the opening matches. Could it be the closest season in over a decade. Hope so.

By tenacious_d - 13/09/2011 8:39:53 PM

Hillslegend (12/09/2011)

Haha, i look forward to it.

By Luxford - 14/09/2011 8:55:29 PM

Any Predictions this week?

By Gaff - 15/09/2011 1:27:00 AM

100% chance that the Outlaws will smash the bye!

By Predwr - 15/09/2011 1:38:39 AM

Yeah the smaller teams have definitely lifted (at least on one side of the ball or the other).

Hillslegend - I didn't see you making yourself known last night. I agree with Huss... Shit stirrer! It didn't appear to me that DRaider was bragging about only losing by a small (33pt) amount, rather that the scoreline was unexpected. I guess your statement will be validated this weekend... or turned into a joke

To everyone else: Please don't think the overt lunacy represents the rest of us. We aren't stupid, and we know we have a lot of work to do!

Back on Topic: FOOTBALL... Predictions?

By Bye - 15/09/2011 2:28:37 AM

Gaff (14/09/2011)

100% chance that the Outlaws will smash the bye!

I think thats an unfair comment.

Outlaws havent been playing the best football and we are coming off a good result against Sydney Uni...

By Gaff - 15/09/2011 3:37:42 AM

I bet you $1000 that the Outlaws dont lose this weekend....care to shake on it?

By Monkeyboy - 15/09/2011 3:38:52 AM

Predwr (14/09/2011)

Predwr, nobody on this forum takes anything too seriously. That is why we are all on here shit stirring and not bothering on working hard for our bosses.

By Panda - 15/09/2011 5:56:54 AM

Luxford (14/09/2011)

Any Predictions this week?

The Lions will destroy the Mustangs

The Seahawks will crap all over the Pirates

UTS will flog the Sharks

The Predators will begin their quest for League domination by beating the Raiders comprehensively

By bobcat - 15/09/2011 6:40:02 AM

Lions 55 Mustangs 21

Seahawks 35 Pirates 22

UTS 45 Sharks 20

Predators 28 Raiders 24

By G-unit - 15/09/2011 7:45:41 PM

Bye (14/09/2011)

Gaff (14/09/2011)

100% chance that the Outlaws will smash the bye!

I think thats an unfair comment.

Outlaws havent been playing the best football and we are coming off a good result against Sydney Uni...

I agree BYE, you kept our potent offense scoreless. We were so worried we didnt even turn up saturday

By Jammin - 15/09/2011 9:16:55 PM

Thanks for the pm's people..all i can say is ' curiosity killed the cat'. Smile

I'm actually being made to work again, so i will be travelling o/s most likely in the next 3 weeks for a couple of weeks so i wont be at some games.

I just want to quickly respond to Panda's comments a few days ago. I did not suggest the Pirates were a second rate team as you infer. All i said is that they played ugly, big difference in your assumptions regarding my comments. Smile

.

Predicitions for Round Four

Lions vs. Mustangs

The Lions are coming off the bye ready and hungry to play football. They have had an extra week to work on things and i do see a comfortable victory. Do I see a large scoreline, unfortunately yes. I'm sure coach Dunne will give his 2nd and 3rd stringers plenty of game time here to prove themselves. (Congrats on your selection as NSW HC Coach Dunne Smile

) The Mustangs will show up and play their hearts out. They will try their hand in the air as opposed on the ground like the Raiders did. I say stretch the field and run Spread. The Defence will really be playing a lot and will need to ensure they are solid in their one vs one matchups. This will be a one sided affair with glimpes of brilliance by the Mustangs. I just hope there are not too many injuries. Lions 50-0 Seahawks vs Pirates The Pirates had an ugly win against the Preds last week but a win is a win. This looks to be a pass vs pass match, however i feel the Pirates are now trying to enforce a ground game to confuse opposing defences. Coach Taylor will be mixing up the play calling and will really look to get the ground game going early rather than the air. The Pirates Defence will be the X-factor, if they can stop the Seahwaks aerial attack then they win easily, if not i see a lot of trouble. The Seahawks just got up over the Mustangs and from what ive heard did not play all that well. Everybody knows they have a pass game and they will stick with it. Their O-line will really need to play big to stop the Big Pirates D-Line as well as containing those Linebackers. Blitz pickups will be essential for them to succeed. Pirates to win 28-14 UTS vs. Sharks UTS will go into this game still fine tuning their playbook. They may go to air well to stop the Raiders run heavy Defence. Who knows we might even see something different?? They have a strong offence and solid Defence and are still a top three team in my books. The Sharks will need to shake off the loss to the Outlaws and play hard physical football again to match the Gators. I'm not sure how many players they will have as a lot went down during the game last week. They ran the ball until the O-line stopped making those holes for the running backs then they went to the air. I see them going to the air a lot more this game. My only question will be player fatigue? If they are back helathy tey will match the Gators, if not i see a large scoreline in favour of UTS. UTS 42-14 Predators vs.Raiders Ok this is the game of the round, purely based on trash talking on forums not form on the field. The Raiders are yet to win a game and the Preds have only the solitary W. the refs will need to ensure they control the emotions here as i see a lot of big hits and collisions and on the filed trash talk. The Preds last week played really well in patches but were not consistent and their Defence spent too much time on the field. The Offence have an able QB but he needs time to read his receivers and throw. The Preds O-line need to step up and pick up those blitzes or they will get hurt again. (So step up please Wink

)The Preds Defence will need to play 4 solid qtrs to stop a run heavy Raiders team. So far their D-line has been their key, it now time for the Linebackers and DB's to follow. The Raiders will be looking for their first W and be in high spirits for this game. They have a big FB who runs pretty hard. I see them focus on the ground game and make those yards up the middle similar to when they played the Lions. The Raidfers defence will need to be solid in their pass coverage against the Preds and put pressure on the Preds QB by blitizing and stacking the box. This game is too close to call and i would lvve to call it a draw. I say Preds only just 14-10 Weather forecast were predicted to be in the 30's. OUCH!

By Luxford - 16/09/2011 10:34:40 AM

My pick for this week.

Lions 76 Mustangs 0
UTS 45 sharks 14
Seahawks 22 Pirates 21
Raiders 6 Predators 3

By Hillslegend - 17/09/2011 1:46:34 AM

[quote]Predwr (14/09/2011)

Hillslegend - I didn't see you making yourself known last night. I agree with Huss... Shit stirrer! [quote]

Pulled a hammy - couldnt make it.

My Predictions:

UTS v Sharks 38-21

Predators v Raiders 30-8

Lions v Mustangs 54-7

Pirates v Seahawks 21-17

By Matt87 - 17/09/2011 8:49:58 AM

Would love to see the Pred beat Bondi... but I think Frawley is too talented to let that happen. This will be his coming out party!

after week three USYD will have 150+ points for and few against. That’s ridiculous.

Might I suggest "so good it hurts"

By Monkeyboy - 17/09/2011 8:16:36 PM

My tips for this week are

UTS by 24

Bondi by 6

Lions by 50

Seahawks by 2

Good luck to all teams.

By Predwr - 18/09/2011 8:28:56 AM

Preds over Bondi. 35 - 6 (I think)

UTS got up over the Sharks. was around 50-14 at half time. didn't see the final score

By bobcat - 18/09/2011 9:23:13 AM

Lions 60 Mustangs 0

Pirates 14 Seahawks 6

Seahawks had a TD called back in the last minute due to holding then threw an INT on 4th down. Unlucky. Hard fought game.

By Love To Run - 19/09/2011 9:32:53 AM

Just like to say what a gutsy performance from the Sharks. UTS had their measure but the Sharks never gave up despite loosing I think 3 or 4 guys to injuries and they didn't have many to start with. The score definatley did not relect the game. Well done lads

By Predwr - 19/09/2011 7:38:28 PM

To 2nd what Coach Levin said, the Shark probably had about 5 people on their sideline for the last quarter or two. And despite this the Sharks restricted the Gators to two TD's in the 2nd half. Hats off to 'em for that!

By Jammin - 22/09/2011 7:19:11 PM

Apologies for the late round up as my Internet is not liking me.

I made the treck to the gong as i thought i would kill 2 birds with one stone, watch football while wife can visit her friends. Smile

This is how Jammin saw it for Round 4

Some good results

Lions vs Mustangs

This was always going to be a one sided affair. the lions meant business from the get go. Once again a strong running game led by that solid Offensive line dictated the terms to a young Mustangs D-Line.

I still think the Lions are beatable, but not by any team in this competition at the moment. It was god to see Coach Dunne give a a lot of different players game time and they did not dissapoint him either.

I can talk all day about this team but i wont as we all know how good they are.

The Mustangs are a young side and they showed a lot of heart in fighting for 4 qtrs. The bottom line is they got pounded and fatigue set in. The Mustangs offence did string some nice plays together in the air and on the ground and hopefully they continue to grow as a team and stick with the sport as i do see some potential athletes.

The O-line found out the difficutlies of getting blitzed over and over again. (Very similar to my comments on Preds in regards to blitz pickups)

The Mustangs Defence played their guts out but were no match for the Uni juggernaut. Some positives for them is that they held them to only one score in the 4th qtr. Smile

A good opening game to watch and Uni continue the momentum

Seahawks vs Pirates

This was easily the game of the round and it didn't dissappoint. Surprisingly to me, i called a pass vs pass game yet witnessed a lot of running between both teams.

The Seahawks offense really showed that they can also run the ball and not only resort to their one dimensional long passing game. They scored first from their opening drive. During the course of the game special teams was the determining factor in regards to field position. The Sehawks unfortunately faltered here giving up valuable yards.

The Seahawks defence played solid all night, but a few errors proved costly. They still again almost got away with this one in the dying munites of the game but this time it was called back for holding, very tough call in my book.

The Pirates Offense played strong but are still trying to find their way. The O-Line stood out, particularly in the first half when they parted the red sea for the RB's to get through. So far I am also categorising the Pirates as a another run team in this league wich reminds me of the old NFL days of the 60's and 70's.(power running by everyone)

The Pirates defence played solid and their D-Line again led the way for the Linebackers to swarm and gang tacke the quick Seahawks. Some big hits on both sides of the ball were great to see. The Pirates D kept the team in this one all night and were rewarded with a pick on the last play to seal the W.

I still feel the Pirates are just scraping by and athough they are 4-0 are not really playing like it. The upside is they have talent everywhere and wll only improve when both their units gel together.

The Seahawks are my sleeper team and will be sniffing around come playoff time. Injuries will be key here for them so they need to stay healthy.

By Jammin - 23/09/2011 6:03:35 PM

It seems everybody is busy out there in the real world. Quite a slow news week is it?

Round 5 is around the corner and my predictions are as follows

Raiders vs Outlaws

The Raiders are yet to find a win and i think this week will be much the same for them. Over the past few weeks they have been trying to establish their ground game ad run up the middle of opposing defences and running the option. If they try this again this week, it will be their downfall against a very strong run stopping Defence.

I say they should chance themselves in the air and let their quick recievers make some plays. The Defence will need to play big and stop RB Stuart Etcell to have a chance in this game. Smile

(and stacking the box is still not enough to stop him, you have to actually tackle him too)

The Outlaws are coming off the bye so should be fresh and keen to have a good hitout. The Offensive Line again will be key in giving Etcell enough time to find the hole and run. They played much better against the Sharks and will be hoping to keep that momentum.

The Outlaws defence will be putting pressure to the Raiders QB all day with edge rushing and middle blitzing. Their massive D-line will work all day to plug those gaps and give their linebackers free holes to shoot. If they improve on their deep coverage then they will be hard to beat.

I say Outlaws 28-7

UTS vs Mustangs

Things will not get any easier for the Mustangs this week and i hope they don't have too many injuries. The Mustangs offensive line need to give the QB enough time to throw the ball. Blocking is key here to give their backfield time to make a play.

The young Mustangs Defence will really need to play out of their skins to stop UTS and i think this is a massive task to achieve. They will need to put pressure on QB Jean Prill and ensure they disrupt his timing and make those tackels when he scrambles out of the pocket.

UTS will be running the ball a lot to soften the Mustangs defence. They showed this last week against the Sharks.I doubt we will see anything different from their arsenal as Coach Bosco will save his special plays for another day.

The UTS defence will also be putting pressure and forcing the QB out of the pocket. If the Mustangs go to the air then the quick DB's will pounce. I see a few pick 6's in this game.

UTS to win easily 56-0

Pirates vs Sharks

If this game was a couple of weeks ago then it owuld have been a close one. Unfortunately the Sharks have acummulated a hospital ward of injuries which is a big blow to them.

The Pirates will keep with the ground game and run up the middle and really test the Sharks D-Line. They will mix their plays but i do see a strong power running game across the 4 qtrs. The Piratres Defence will really stand out here and play hard all night. They also have a massive D-line led by DE shannon Lynch.

The Sharks(who are the gutsiest team in my book) will need to gather as many players as possible for this one and play hard. For them to be a chance they need to throw the ball as they are facing a very well drilled run stopping defence. If the O-line give the QB enough time to throw and they score early then they have a chance.

The Pirates are still not playing like a championship team but they are not losing either and were lucky with last weeks result.

Pirates to win easily 42-7

Lions vs Predators

The Lions will be business as usual and this will be another blip on their radar they need to clear. This game will not be a huge score line as the reserves will have a lot of game time to preserve the starters.

What can i say about the Offence that we don't all know already? Well drilled, precise execution and play hard all game. Again thats what will happen this week. The Lions defence will blitz all day and worry the Preds QB. By the time he throws the ball he will have been hit by at least 7 players Pinch

Huge task for the Preds to get the win. The O-line will need to find the inner power of 10 bears Smile

to stop the Lions attack. They have shown to be weak in the blitz pickups(which is the Lions specialty).

The Preds Defence will be on the field a lot and need to find a way to stop QB Kiernan Dorney and RB Liam Erby. Hard thing is they need to go though the O-line first.

Stack the box, blitz and hope you get there in time to stop the QB. If they try a 2 d-lineman formation as they have done in the past, they will get overpowered by the Lions and their strong running game.

Lions to cruise in this one 42-0

Have fun THIS WEEKEND everybody cause you get to do what a lot of people wish they could still do and that is play FOOTBALL! BigGrin

By Boom Boom Pow - 23/09/2011 9:16:26 PM

Jammin (23/09/2011)

It seems everybody is busy out there in the real world. Quite a slow news week is it?

It doesnt seem to be isolated to this forum either - the lack of web content from Gridiron NSW teams this year is well below what has been seen in years gone by (one team doesn't even have a website at the moment).

With the GA advertising push going on and the direction to webpages being the main source of contact I would have thought teams would see this as a good chance to market themselves to outside the gridiron community.

By Panda - 24/09/2011 9:08:07 PM

Week 5 Predictions

Outlaws to smash the Raiders

UTS to flog the Mustangs

Pirates to just beat the Sharks (but will have to be lucky)

Lions will kill the Predators

Actually, why are we even predicting this stuff? It's boring. Give the Lions the trophy now because no one else can even get in the same postcode as them.

By Gaff - 25/09/2011 7:38:36 AM

Outlaws 30 - Raiders 0
UTS 24 - Mustangs 12
Pirates 32 - Sharks 0
Lions 50 - Predators 0

3 of the top 4 teams post donuts on defense!

By Panda - 27/09/2011 6:04:43 AM

MustangsQB (29/08/2011)

Just an observation, but it's one thing to be all happy about new websites and forums and another thing to keep them up to date. Very few clubs update regularly. I think the Lions, Seahawks and Pirates are the most regular. It seems kind of pointless to trumpet your pretty website to the world then not update it because the losses pile up.

By MustangsQB - 27/09/2011 12:15:36 PM

Panda (26/09/2011)

MustangsQB (29/08/2011)

Completely right Panda, websites should be updated and maintained and although I funded it and built it with my own money (much like our entire club) I mistakenly delegated the duties of updating it to another person. Not to worry all sorted now, I am on the case. Though I have had the flu for close to two weeks and I get up for work to travel to sydney in 3.45 hours the game report is now live on www.wollongongmustangs.com for anyone that would care to read it. Highlights to follow on our youtube channel tomorrow night (I'm a bit tired).

also the final score of the game was 28-12 and I am not at all upset with the "losses piling up" we have a long term plan and we are comfortable with our progress.

Regards,

Mitch Hunt
Club President
Wollongong Mustangs.

By tenacious_d - 27/09/2011 12:43:29 PM

Good work Mitch! While I agree that a website should be regularily updated, I think it is a bit rich of Panda to suggest that the reason for any club not doing so is based upon the lack of success of a club on the field.

I wonder how much work Panda puts in at his club? Juniors coaching? Part of the committee? Refereeing duties?

It's all hard work and I for one salute Mitch and the other senior guys at the 'Stangs who have put an immense amount of hard work, time and I know in Mitch's case his own hard earned dollars to revive that club.

By DaveQB - 27/09/2011 6:32:49 PM

tenacious_d (27/09/2011)

It's all hard work and I for one salute Mitch and the other senior guys at the 'Stangs who have put an immense amount of hard work, time and I know in Mitch's case his own hard earned dollars to revive that club.

I agree. Well done Mitch. I know he has worked tirelessly in building up the Mustangs from extinction.

By Gaff - 27/09/2011 9:53:05 PM

you dont need to justify yourself to douche bags Mitch.

Anyone who knows you knows how hard your have worked to get the program down there back on track and what a great job you are doing.

By stang64 - 28/09/2011 9:30:33 AM

Ok all this talk on how good mitch is is starting to make me sick, can we get some more game updates on the following teams please.

the truth is we need a few more people like mitch in the game to take up the slack so this league can run even better.

on another point. are there and predictions on who and when someone will ebat the lions, can we also make that a week off so we can all get togther and celebrate the historic occasion.

* I dont hide behind a computer screen, my name will tell you who i am.*

By tenacious_d - 28/09/2011 2:37:15 PM

stang64 (27/09/2011)

* Who are the 'following teams' you ask of updates on?

* I really can't see any team beating the Lions at the moment. Although, in saying that, they have not looked anywhere near as sharp this year as they have in years gone past

By stang64 - 28/09/2011 4:05:06 PM

I was asking for the right ups that jammin does, i like his/her twist on things. Jammin is fair with the right ups from what i read.

This seems to be a building year for a lot of teams, lets hope we can all hang on to the player we have for the following years to come.

By Jammin - 28/09/2011 6:57:38 PM

stang64 (28/09/2011)

Awww you are making me blush now Stang64.

Sorry i didnt write up any sooner but these bastards who pay me actually expect me to work for them? A great injustice i say Smile

Ok what a wild weekend filled with lightning,rain and some great football. I watched the games at Bill Delauney and regretted every freezing minute. (I should have realised something wasnt right when i saw the rabbits go back to their burrows)

Anyway this is how Jammin saw it

Raiders vs Outlaws

A great game to watch.

The Raiders really had no answer to the Outlaws. Their gameplan went out the window as soon as their big FB went off hurt. The Raiders tried everything from triple option to throwing the ball downfield and came up short each time.

This young Raiders offence have the potential to be a good team but still need a few more seasons together. The Raiders Defence tried all night and spent a lot of tiem on the field which will wear out any defensive unit if they constantly have to tackle. I also noted a few injuries as well forcing players to play both ways.

The Outlaws came to play and they showed it right from kick off. The Outlaws Defence really gave the Radiers absolutely nothing. Their were some really big hits and full credit to the Raiders QB who got pounded all night!.

The Outlaws big D-line led the way, hitting those gaps and shutting down any option plays for the Linebackers to do the rest, and the rest they did. Their was constant pressure all night and Coach Gaffey really unleashed his blitz happy packages. (I have also been quite critical of the Outlaws pass coverage in the past but they really fixed this up and shut down the Raiders almost every time.)

A solid performance and shut out to the Outlaws D

The Outlaws Offence really stepped it up and their O-Line got it together for RB Stuart Etcell to take charge. The Outlaws mixed up the pass vs run and did it well. A fair bit of playaction got them going. Some large yards made on the ground and a great catch for a TD by one of their receivers in double coverage was a highlight.

The Outlaws have proved why they deserve to be in the top 4. Next game vs the Seahawks looks to be a mouth watering clash

UTS vs Mustangs

Another great end to the night and fantastic game. A big shout out to the young Mustangs who really scared the big boys from the inner west. If this Mustangs team stick together and add a few extra players then the sky is the limit for them.

It was an interesting game right from the Kickoff. The Mustangs Offence looked good in their opening drive marching the ball downfield, unfortunately they could not execute for a TD. this seemed to be their story all night. Some silly mistakes with snaps and poor positioning hurt them. Having said that the O-line performed admirably and really kept the UTS D-line at bay for long periods of the game.

They also developed a ground game which will help them when they face the weaker teams.

The Stangs Defence really played big and some great stops in the back field were thanks to their constant persistence and pressure foricng the QB to rush his decisions. Again fatigue and inexperience hurt them.

UTS on the other hand did not play thier usual free flowing game and seemed to be flustered with their play calling. They ran the ball a lot (with the wild conditions i dont blame them).

A few good drives and they scored when they needed too. Thier O-line did not play as well as they would have liked and let a few players in the backfield.I didn't notice Coach Bosco on the sideline either?

The UTS Defence played well and made it happen when they were given the chance. Some very quick DB's on their roster makes a huge difference. The D-line put pressure on the Stangs but were not as solid as in previous games,ut did enough to take charge.

This game was a good win for UTS even though they deserved the win, they really have a lot to work on.

Thats how Jammin saw it Smile

In my years of football, i still think Sydney Uni do not have anyone who will dethrone them. They have the Pirates next game so that should be a cracker. It's good to see the game growing and the rosters growing as well.

Keep up the good work and enjoy your football cause it doesn't last forever Crying

By Load66 - 28/09/2011 7:09:13 PM

Panda (26/09/2011)
Just an observation, but it's one thing to be all happy about new websites and forums and another thing to keep them up to date. Very few clubs update regularly. I think the Lions, Seahawks and Pirates are the most regular. It seems kind of pointless to trumpet your pretty website to the world then not update it because the losses pile up.

Just a quick heads up: if any team is interested in a new website, I can highly recommend the company we went with: http://www.redefine.com.au . Our new site looks great, is a breeze to update, and they gave us exactly what we were after. Highly recommended.

By Panda - 29/09/2011 6:08:12 AM

tenacious_d (28/09/2011)

* I really can't see any team beating the Lions at the moment. Although, in saying that, they have not looked anywhere near as sharp this year as they have in years gone past

You're obviously not seeing the same things as the rest of the known world my friend. Look at the results -

The Lions have won all of their games so far this year (and back a number of years)

The FEWEST points they have scored is 35 in a game

They have NOT conceded ANY POINTS so far.

If that's the case I'd hate to see them when they ARE sharp.

By the way, back to websites for a moment. You're right Tenacious about losses not being the reason for updating the website and I apologise to the Mustangs for my errant comment. Losses are clearly not the reason for not updating. Your club has won a few games and hasn't update their site for a year, so clearly losing is not a reason.

By Boom Boom Pow - 29/09/2011 7:14:39 PM

Panda (28/09/2011)

By the way, back to websites for a moment. You're right Tenacious about losses not being the reason for updating the website and I apologise to the Mustangs for my errant comment. Losses are clearly not the reason for not updating. Your club has won a few games and hasn't update their site for a year, so clearly losing is not a reason.

GET THAT UP YA! Hahahaha

By Predwr - 29/09/2011 7:15:12 PM

Panda (28/09/2011)

tenacious_d (28/09/2011)

* I really can't see any team beating the Lions at the moment. Although, in saying that, they have not looked anywhere near as sharp this year as they have in years gone past

Have you had a look at the half time score from the weekend Panda? No please don't take this as some ill advised attempt to brag about the Pred's game on the weekend. I play on the O and we had a shocker. At half time, the score was 8 - 0. We let in a safety of a punt and the Lions only scored the other TD because we tried to field a punt the was funbled and subsequently recovered by the Lions, this lead to the TD.

The Preds D played their asses off but the O did not keep them off the field long enough so in the 2nd half they were dead and couldn't keep up the same intensity, hence the blow out score. I take this to mean that if we can restrict them in one half of football when our O couldn't do shit, then other teams should be able to do the same!

Fact is that the Lions have not looked as sharp this year as I remember them 12-24 month ago. No doubt they are far beyond any other team in the league however I for one think they can be beaten this year and IO hope i'll be around to shout a few rounds for the team that does (Disclaimer: Rounds may not actually be bought)

By Monkeyboy - 29/09/2011 10:03:05 PM

Pred, do you think the Pirates have a good chance against the Lions on a shortened/smaller field at St George. I reckon this will be a ripper game. Lucky you will be there to watch it and maybe shout a round at the club.

By Predwr - 30/09/2011 8:36:06 PM

I honestly think yes ("If it bleeds, we can kill it"). The Pirates are a good team and even after the loss of Dave Ward they seem to be firing on offense pretty well! Thats not to say they will but I believe they have the potential to do so!

Haha didn't think about the fact we would be right next to a pub either.

By Monkeyboy - 30/09/2011 10:09:15 PM

I am not saying that the Lions will lose. In fact, I will tip the Lions to win. But, if anybody is going to beat the Lions this year you would think it is going to be the Pirates on a mini field.

By Coach19 - 30/09/2011 10:33:10 PM

Just stating a fact: The Lions last loss was against Coach Taylor's Pirates ... at Kyeemagh.

Pirates / Lions games are always a treat. Now it's two undefeated teams. It's the kind of game you look forward to.

By Monkeyboy - 1/10/2011 12:03:06 AM

Coach19 (30/09/2011)

How many games ago was that coach?

By G-unit - 1/10/2011 2:47:38 AM

bear (30/09/2011)

How many games ago was that coach?

By Coach19 - 1/10/2011 3:16:22 AM

I counted 61. (not that I like to correct G-Unit...)

The Pirates snapped a 33 game winning streak that day.

By Monkeyboy - 1/10/2011 4:06:21 AM

Coach19 (30/09/2011)

I counted 61. (not that I like to correct G-Unit...)

The Pirates snapped a 33 game winning streak that day.

Well coach, if you are correct, I believe the championship game will be your 102th game since the streak started considering you get to it. Not a bad little run, is it?

By Matt87 - 1/10/2011 1:23:02 PM

prediciton

Lions (32) over Pirates (0)

By Coach19 - 2/10/2011 6:10:10 AM

Thanks for the vote of confidence Bear, with your mention of 102... but the chickens haven't hatched yet. There is a lot of football to be played and there are a lot of good teams out there.

By Panda - 2/10/2011 8:25:06 PM

Coach19 (1/10/2011)

Thanks for the vote of confidence Bear, with your mention of 102... but the chickens haven't hatched yet. There is a lot of football to be played and there are a lot of good teams out there.

With all due respect Coach you are being too polite and humble. We all know that the Lions are the best Club side in the country and talk about anyone in NSW getting even close is a bit of a joke. The ony question to be answered is how long the Lion dynasty will last before someone finally cracks it, but it won't be this year.

Matt87s predicition is way off the mark too. The Pirates won't even get that close. I predict that the score will be more like a 50 point margin, but I will say that the Pirates may actually score against the Lions which is something that no one else has managed. Not that it will matter in the long run.

By Invictus - 2/10/2011 9:07:44 PM

I fear the Panda is a poor student of history......without tooting the old trumpet, UTS Lions games have been a lot more interesting over the past 4 years shall we say (although ultimately very expensive for me!!).....and it took a long time for that to be the case.

Pirates Lions game will be interesting as well - major question is how much belief the Pirates have - do they know they can win it? Have they got enough quality across the team? The Lions' success has been not only down to the standards they set on the field, but its also down to the coaching and their ability to sniff out the opposition's weaknesses and exploit them. Being objective (if that's possible), they have wriggled off the hook a few times against the boys from Broadway and kudos to them for managing to do so (said through gritted teeth I can assure you!). I just hope the Pirates' coaching staff have figured out the weaknesses on the Lion's offense and have the horses to exploit those that do exist.

So, I'm happy to say the Lions Pirates game is circled in my diary as one to watch to see something akin to historic happening. Just annoys the crap out of me that it won't be UTS gets the pleasure of being the first team in years to actually beat them pesky Lions!

If the Pirates keep their heads in the game and get the ball in the hands of their skills players in the passing game I think we have a chance of seeing something unique happening on the day. Won't be easy, but it can be done. Pirates have the size on O to overpower Lions on the ground, question is will they be able to execute cleanly and pick up enough yardage on early downs to avoid the Lions' blitz packages on third and long? Does the Pirates' QB have the confidence to find his receivers and keep the chains moving?

Pretty safe to say everybody would expect the Lions to come out with their running game and require the opposition to stop it. That's why they'll be thinking about coming out throwing the ball - its probably been a good year since they were a passing offense. It seems the Lions will need to be out-thought and then out-played......

As much as anything I think this one comes down to the sidelines - which team will have the better game plan on the day and which will be able to execute. Still, it's good for the league that this game is of such interest.

By G-unit - 2/10/2011 10:51:50 PM

Invictus (2/10/2011)

Just annoys the crap out of me that it won't be UTS gets the pleasure of being the first team in years to actually beat them pesky Lions!.

I promise to do everything in my power to give you a shot at that title the next round mate Wink

By Panda - 3/10/2011 12:51:47 AM

Sadly Invictus you have either taken one too many blows to the head or you are simply a prize dribbler! Let's look at what you've written to try to get some accuracy here -

You said, "I fear the Panda is a poor student of history......without tooting the old trumpet, UTS Lions games have been a lot more interesting over the past 4 years shall we say (although ultimately very expensive for me!!).....and it took a long time for that to be the case." The key word here is "interesting". I am talking about the Lions WINNING not some other team getting close or making it interesting.

You then said, "Pirates Lions game will be interesting as well" so even you admit that it's only likely to be "interesting" (there's that word again) and that the Lions will WIN.

You then said, "I just hope the Pirates' coaching staff have figured out the weaknesses on the Lion's offense and have the horses to exploit those that do exist." So you're basing your logic on hope and flying in the face of the fact that the Lions have the best Coaching Staff in the State if not the Country.

Then there was some meaningless dribble before you said, "If the Pirates keep their heads in the game and get the ball in the hands of their skills players in the passing game I think we have a chance of seeing something unique happening on the day." All their good receivers are gone. Why do you think the Pirates run the ball now?

We were then subjected to more dribble before, "Pretty safe to say everybody would expect the Lions to come out with their running game and require the opposition to stop it. That's why they'll be thinking about coming out throwing the ball - its probably been a good year since they were a passing offense." Have you even seen the Lions play this year? Do you not think that Kiernan Dorney (the best QB in the country) leads an outstanding PASSING team?

And finally, "As much as anything I think this one comes down to the sidelines" so let's send the coaches onto the field for a wrestle! The Lions still win!!

Look, Invictus, I respect the fact the you are proud of UTS and you have every reason to be, but it's a new season and they aren't up to it. UTS have a great Offense but seem to be a bit suspect defensively (maybe missing you too much?). Either way UTS won't beat the Lions.

The Pirates can't beat the Lions. They may get close to keep it "interesting" but they haven't got the coaches or the talent to win.

The Outlaws can't beat the Lions or even beat them up. In fact, maybe the only team who realistically has a chance is the Seahawks off the back of their great running game and fast defense.

Seriously though, it's another Lions Championship season, and that's something you might find "interesting".

By Luxford - 3/10/2011 10:42:37 AM

Zone Read

Zone Give

Zone Bubble

Dive Option

Counter Trey Read

Inverted Veer

Draw

By Invictus - 4/10/2011 7:55:17 PM

My dear Panda, apart from your very impressive skills at coloured text (props on that), you're pretty adamant that the Lions are impregnable which is an opinion you are more than entitled to. In your ardent admiration you may have missed the fact that I was trying to be subtle about my thoughts on the chances of the Pirates beating the Lions this week. Other than giving Dave Allen a spray once in a while, the Bear is not a place to make too many wild comments (well not for me anyway - I prefer to do my trash talking on the field as many will attest to!!!!).

Not sure what you experience of playing the Lions has been over the last decade or so, but for everybody concerned it's been ultimately a futile day in the trenches. I would say hand on heart UTS have had a couple of great games against them only to come up short at the final whistle. Unlike you perhaps I take that as an encouraging sign.

So the Pirates - they have the tools in place to beat the Lions on paper that's the message which your technicoloured reply seems to have missed. If they play to their potential on all three phases of the game and the coaches get the game plan right they're a red hot chance. That's why I'll be at the game. They're one of the few teams who have a legitimate shot at knocking the Lions off their perch.

I didn't say the Lions haven't got a scary passing attack and the QB isn't good - believe me I've lived through those days too. Point is that the passing game seems to have taken a back seat to the running game perhaps because they didn't need to throw the ball to win as nobody was able to shut the running game down. Classic coaching there.

It's a little depressing to think you believe the Lions will not be defeated in the near future (unless you're a Lions player and then you're an arrogant turd and that kind of behaviour just fuels the fires re beating the Lions). If you're on another team, quit the game 'cos you've given up hope and belief. What you think we should all be out there trying to keep the score down - way to compete champ!

You are more than welcome to gloat on Saturday if the Pirates don't get the W, but you know....it is better to live in hope etc etc.

I also apologise for taxing your bamboo burning noggin by using more than three words in a sentence.

By Gaff - 4/10/2011 8:25:32 PM

just came across this on the USA Football FB page....and was curious, given some of the big scores that we are seeing both in the NSW and Vic leagues what other people think:

USA Football

How does your league handle lopsided scoring? Is it mandated or up to coaches to move players around in a game that gets out of hand? USA Football's Modified Competition Rule (Chapter 6, Section 5 of our Rulebook) puts the ball at the opponents 40-yard line - the 40 closest to a touchdown - for any team starting a drive while trailing by 30 points or more. Standard rules apply if the deficit is reduced to less than 30.

By Load66 - 4/10/2011 8:39:26 PM

I think this is a much better idea than cutting a game short with a fast clock or the ref deciding to arbitrarily take time off the clock. I'd say make it +40 points, and always ask the losing team before doing it.

If player safety is an issue (a team with less than 22 players left) then I can see a justification in taking time off the clock, but if it is just talent, then this seems much better.

By Jammin - 4/10/2011 9:04:49 PM

Wow,

The trash talkin quickly becomes apparent on these forums. Let's tone it down a notch for these old eyes and ears Wink

.

So the popular conversation now it seems is if the Lions will lose? Very interesting. I know a few players from most of the clubs and they for a fact do not play to reduce the scoreline but play to beat them.

Is the Lions coaching staff any better than other teams in the league? I don't think they are better, however they do get the absolute best out of their players which is what coaching is all about right. Smile

Lopsided scorelines and teams not used to losing is common. It's up to the rest of the teams to step up and knock off the perennial champions.

As an unbiased fan of the game, i love watching them play and work for each other. Of course i would love to support the underdog (anyone playing them) which is the Aussie way too.

At the end of the day anything can happen on game day, each player needs to beleive that and produce on the field.

That's what the Lions do week in week out.

By Predwr - 5/10/2011 8:18:50 PM

Jammin, was just listening to the song Bob Marley named after you nd thought of your match predictions... *nudge* *hint* *nudge*

By Jammin - 6/10/2011 1:52:37 AM

Predwr (5/10/2011)

Jammin, was just listening to the song Bob Marley named after you nd thought of your match predictions... *nudge* *hint* *nudge*

Thanks Predwr. I'm glad you are an avid fan of the rastafarian music and legend that is Bob Marley. Thats exactly why i took the name Jammin on the Bear. well done. Smile

Ok Predictions for this week for all you curious eyes and ears.

Mustangs vs Raiders

This will be an interesting game for the pundits. Mustangs proved they can play and are trying to establish a running game. The Raiders had a running game and triple option package until their RB got hurt against the Outlaws.

This game will be about the Lineman plain and simple. If the Mustangs O-Line step up and play hard I believe they have the edge over the Raiders.

The Raiders on the other hand will need to ensure their O-line play smart football and execute their blocks and pick up those blitzers as what was thrown to them by the Outlaws last game to give their nifty QB time to run or throw.

I am picking the Stangs in this one. I have a feeling their luck will change against the Raiders.

Mustangs 21-14

Seahawks vs Outlaws

Wow this is going to be a great game and a battle to be in the playoffs down the road. The Seahawks suprised many (mainly me) with their running game against the Pirates. (If you have Adrian Thomas blocking then things must look bright for the RB).

I still think this is all smokes and mirrors and the Seahawks will run a little but mainly throw the ball as they will be matching up against a solid run stopping defence. The O-line will really need to shut down those big D-lineman and blitzing Linebackers to be successful.

the Seahawks defence will need to do one thing..Stop RB Stuart Etcell.

The Outlaws Offence will need to score points and play hard all game to put pressure back on the young Seahawks team. If they can block for RB Etcell then they will prevail.

The Outlaws Defence will continue to play hard and fast and really focus on their zone coverage to counter any Seahawks aerial threats. (I'm sure Coach Gaffey will be working on this all week.)

Tough game but i feel the Outlaws Defence will be the difference

Outlaws 28-14

Pirates vs Lions

Quite simple. This is the game of the round by far. Both teams go into this one undefeated and the Pirates will be looking to claim the most prized scalp of the Lion as done in 2007(I think :ermm Smile

The Pirates Offence has proven to be very potent but have not being playing to their capabiliteis in the past few weeks. This will all need to change if they are to beat the Lions.

From what i see is that the Pirates need to go to the air to win. Play the Lions in the air forcing the mismatches. If they go to the ground then i feel the Lions D-Line and Linebackers will be too strong.

The Pirates Defence will really need to play like its the championship to stop the Uni offensive juggernaut. Their massive D-line must play those gaps and crash down and the Linebackers need to blitz hard on those edges forcing QB Kiernan dorney to hurry his throws or handoffs.(I think Kryptonite will be of some use here too. Smile

)

The Lions on the other hand will disengage the cruise control button and really unleash their arsenal of weapons. They will take no prisoners and look to make a statement to the rest of the league that they are the best. On paper they have had half their O-line play for Australia..WOW BigGrin

The Lions Defence will continue with their blitzing and strong side stack formations. Their DB's will need to play solid to stop the very good Pirate WR corps.

I am salivating to witness this game. Having said that, the Lions will win comfortably.

Lions 40-14

Predators vs Sharks

This game will be a defining moment for the young Sharks outfit. Will they field enough players for the victory playing away form home?

Both teams come off shut out losses and the Sharks have been decimated by injuries. The positve side of this is that at least points will be scored this week.

The Sharks who week in week out play with a lot of heart will need to do more to get the W. Their offence will have to be patient and stick to the basics to preserve their squad.

The Preds will be looking forward to this match up and be seeking to get the points. The preds have played well in patches this season and will need to lift their game against an understrength Sharks team (But i would not underestimate this team either)

The difference will be the QB's. I give the advantage to the Preds who have a good QB who can scramble once out of the pocket.

The Preds DB's will need to be on their toes when the sharks go to the air as they do have some very quick and talented receivers.

I give this one to the Preds

21-7

Those are my preditions and as my idol would say:

'We jammin on for the daughters and sons. The struggle is not over until the battle is won' Smile

By tenacious_d - 6/10/2011 7:37:39 AM

Hey Jammin

I believe each and every one of the Lions starting O-line have started for Australia at some point.

Also, not to wave off your prediction about the Lions vs Pirates game being the match of the round - I think the Outlaws vs Seahawks match is going to be the game of the round. 2 Very different teams that have skewed strengths when it comes to their attacking prowess.

By Panda - 6/10/2011 6:42:48 PM

Mustangs vs Raiders - Mustangs in a close one, although the Raiders may be able to put some pressure on a limited Mustangs offense. If the Mustangs have a good number of players and their O'Line plays well then the Mustangs will win. Pride is on the line here too with both looking for their first win. Mustangs 24 - Raiders 18

Seahawks vs Outlaws - The Seahawks seem to be a more balanced team but both have good running games. If the Seahawks can connect on some passes I see their speed being too much for the Outlaws to handle. If the Outlaws can hold the ball and work the clock they win. Seahawks 30 - Outlaws 12

Predators vs Sharks - The Predators will be motivated by their good performance in the first half against the Lions and if they bring that enthusiasm they will be too strong for the young Sharks side. The Sharks have enthusiasm but do they have the personnel? Predators 30 - Sharks 6

Lions vs Pirates - There are only two reasons to watch this game - can the Pirates score and can they win? I think the Pirates will score against a dominant Lions defense but they can't win the game. The Lions are just too talented in every facet of the game. Lions 54 - Pirates 6

By Jammin - 6/10/2011 8:24:26 PM

[quote]Panda (6/10/2011)

Seahawks vs Outlaws - The Seahawks seem to be a more balanced team but both have good running games. If the Seahawks can connect on some passes I see their speed being too much for the Outlaws to handle. If the Outlaws can hold the ball and work the clock they win. Seahawks 30 - Outlaws 12

Panda,

I'm glad that you have made some predicitions. My only question is regarding the Sehawks vs Outlaws game? You mentioned that the Seahawks speed is too much? What do you actually mean?

From what i've seen of the Outlaws defence is that they are definitely not slow and are a lot quicker than the majority of the other teams in the league, that's why IMO they have been able to blitz so effectively. ( Maybe some guy's who have played against them this season can help me out here with their comments)

I'm not putting down your opinion as i respect that everybody has a right to one. The reasoning behind this prediciton is what has intrigued me, that is all Smile

Tenacious D,

you are right about the Uni O-line playing for Australia at some point. I was referencing more to the last world cup in my last post. Having said that you are correct and it is quite impressive for the Lions to have such international representation Smile

As for match of the round. It was a close one to call but i must respect the fact that 2 undefeated teams are going to be fighting for first place. All i know is that i have to be well planned to watch the two games of the round being played at different venues.

At least they are on at different times and reasonably close to each other Whistling

By Predwr - 6/10/2011 11:17:44 PM

There is definitely some speed in the Outlaws defence, their OLBs came flying past me a few times, especially when they stacked one side. I would be very interested to see the Squawks v Outhouses this week. Sorry Huss-a-conda, but I agree that 1 v 2 will be game of the week!

Hoping to god that the Poorats can put together the game of a lifetime and bowl over the Lions!

Definitely looking forward to playing the Sharks this week. They might be down on numbers but it seems to have only served to give them more heart. As Coach Levin said previously, they never ever give up!

By G-unit - 7/10/2011 6:36:03 AM

I dont think I have ever done tips before but with such and insteresting round on offer i thought i would

I will go with:

Raiders over 'Stangs
Hawks over Outlaws (I think the combo of counters, edge running and fast receivers will give the hawks the advantage in a close one)
Lions (some bias I admit)
Preds over the Sharks

No matter what some questions will be answered this weekend.. Really looking forward to the challenges

Also rain stay the %$@* away please, thanks

By Gaff - 7/10/2011 7:40:34 AM

Giff, is there an alternative venue for Revesby if there is a rain out?

By Luxford - 8/10/2011 6:07:49 AM

Lions 21 Pirates 7

By Panda - 8/10/2011 9:31:32 PM

Gaff (6/10/2011)

Giff, is there an alternative venue for Revesby if there is a rain out?

Dubai

By MustangsQB - 9/10/2011 6:30:09 AM

Mustangs 40 - 34 in come from behind victory
Lions 38 - 32 also in a come from behind victory, from what I hear pirates led at the half and twice in the second.

By bobcat - 9/10/2011 9:00:57 AM

Had the pleasure of spectating at the Lions V Pirates match. The Pirates started the better of the two sides but it wasn't long until the Lions offence got on track. Both sides went score for score in the second half and the Lions ultimately were able to win due to better conversions after scoring as it was 5 TD's each from memory. The Lions QB put his side on his back at times both through the air and on the ground. The Pirates would consider themselves unlucky after losing a few starters to injury but the Lions were also missing two starters themselves but did gain a few that had not been seen much this season.

By rt75 - 9/10/2011 10:13:06 AM

preds over sharks 18-16. close game that the sharks nearly snatched at the end.

By Panda - 9/10/2011 9:27:29 PM

Predwr (6/10/2011)

I would be very interested to see the Squawks v Outhouses this week. Sorry Huss-a-conda, but I agree that 1 v 2 will be game of the week!

Hoping to god that the Poorats can put together the game of a lifetime and bowl over the Lions!

Very entertaining nicknames Predwr. Very clever! Good to see the Predophiles get up over the Sharks this week. At least I got that one right.

My prediciton on the Mustangs and Raiders was right too, but the Seahawks let me down.

My prediction of a Lions win was on the money, but Invictus I must defer to your better knowledge when it came to the closeness of the scores. Well done sir! I didn't get to see the game but I would welcome your feedback if you were there.

By Coach19 - 9/10/2011 10:05:48 PM

Brilliant game last night Pirates v Lions. Outstanding by both teams.

Also again congratulations to Ian Taylor. 200 games as Head Coach of the Pirates. That's an enormous contribution to the game in this State and his team.

By Invictus - 10/10/2011 12:37:27 AM

Well I was there to witness the history that shoulda, coulda but wasn't...... OK, I was there for most of it until a prior booking for the movies with she who must be obeyed forced me from the sidelines.

When I left the Pirates were leading thanks to a TD to #81 (looked like the RB most likely - something to be said for hitting the hole as a RB).

Being honest I thought it was actually quite a poor game, with the Lions committing far more errors than one would expect and the Pirates not really getting after their offence - sorry but Lions O has to be penetrated to be stopped, not many teams will be able to match them by out-scheming and out-executing them. Pirates scored their first 2 scores off turnovers from memory and they only produced on offense in spurts. Pirates lacked some speed/play designs on O to get the ball to the edge, or they didn't have the plays designed to get there. I would have liked to see them line up and play straight ahead the whole game - I genuinely thought they'd have had the horses to take it to the Uni D by getting a hat on a hat - three yards and a cloud of dust (on turf I know). On D, thought they were trying to read too much, but hey I'm not a coach or their coach but I just thought it gave the Lions fatties the momentum off the ball. Given the Lion's ability to execute their plays with a higher degree of accuracy I think the best approach is to mess up their blocking by getting in the backfield.

Interestingly enough the Pirates also have a bit of a conundrum on offense - its great having height and bulk on the o-line, but if the QB can't see over them is it good? Were a lot of opportunities were negated by the fact that the QB had to move so much to achieve line of sight. Also, the way the Lions block on the pass is a hint on how to block them on the pass - inside out fellas.....stop the pressure up the middle to give the QB somewhere to go when the pressure from the outside finally gets upfield.

I'm sorry to say but I think Pirates had their chances but ultimately didn't take them, but the knowledge that they're within striking distance is heartening. I maintain UTS is in the same postcode, interesting question is whether the Outlaws are. By all accounts they've improved since week 1's meeting and are one of the contenders/pretenders with a single loss at this stage of the season. UTS are only team not to have played the Lions yet and naturally will beat them silly.

Lions - hard to say. Think it's fair to say they didn't have the game they would have wanted in terms of how they played, but a win is a win when all is said and done.

By Panda - 10/10/2011 1:12:42 AM

Thanks for the feedback Invictus it was interesting to read. I see where the Lions Coach thought it was a good game but your thoughts didn't agree. I can't argue as I wasn't there but all comments are worth reading.

I note you think the Pirates QB has difficulty seeing over the Offensive Line. Isn't that the same situation at UTS with #9? Maybe the Pirates need to learn some lessons then.

Based on what you're saying you believe UTS to be #2 behind the Lions at this stage with the Outlaws maybe at #3 and we can forget the rest, yes?

By Jammin - 10/10/2011 9:56:50 PM

I can sum up the Round 6 games i witnessed in one word: TOUGH.

My predicitons for both these games were flawless, yay for me Tongue

Football can you be your best friend and worst enemy all in the one day it seems. I would like to thank the traffic for being good to me to be able to get out to the games I was interested in watching at different venues (thanks GNSW Smile

)

Congratulations to coach Taylor for your award as well. 200 games WOW BigGrin

. It was also very sportsmanlike of both teams to show their respects for this important milestone.

Lions vs Pirates

Although some of the comments on this forum regarding this game painted it as a sloppy state of affairs i would like to disagree. This game was very tough and it was the execution that won the Lions the game. besides if every unit plays perfect then wouldn't we have a paradox?? Crazy

From the opening drive the Pirates were up for this encounter and they were rewarded with a fumble recovery. They then scored. I was actually suprised at the Lions reaction to being scored on, they were shell shocked.

Some vital moments in the first half was the injury to the Pirates RB which obviously needed coach Taylors 200 game experience to adjust his game plan. From there it was a reall tussle between the defensive units with neither unit givng an inch. The Pirates went into the sheds ahead on the scoreboard.

The second half was very much like the 1st with some bone crunching hits. The Pirates continued to play hard, however the dormant Lion awoke from his slumber and started to play.

The Uni Offence started to move those chains and had a few opportunities in the red zone which they finally executed. The 4th qtr saw Uni grind away at its opposition and dictate the terms.

You could see now that the Pirates Defence were fatigued after 3 long qtrs. The Lions could sniff this and wore them down utimatley getting the W. Big props to the Pirates Linebacker who tackled all day long. He seemed to always be around every play. The biggest difference here was also that the Lions converted their 2 pt attempts and the Pirates didn't.

Was this the beautiful free flowing football game? NO.(so INVICTUS on that i sort of agree:Whistling Smile

This was tough, gritty and the battle was in the trenches all day. Every player can walk away with their heads high regardless of the result.

A deserved win to the Lions and they are again the team to beat. The Pirates are the second best team in my book after this performance which was a huge improvement on their previous games even though they got those positive results.

Seahawks vs Outlaws

Boy am i glad i made it to this game. I brought a friend along who is over form the U.S who has some experience with football and he was on a high after witnessing the talent in the first game and the intensity.

This game did not dissapoint either. the only thing thats a dissapointment and yes i must say it.....is the quality of refereeing! Pinch

All i'll say is that all the games Jammin has witnessed this year, the holding penalty has dissappeared (particualrly holding by Receivers. We will leave the big hoss's in the pit alone).If a defender is getting away from a blocker and you can clearly see on the sidelines a jersey pull, well hey thats holding! also if a blocker has his arms around a defnders waist like he is performing a rugby tackle then thats holding.

The Seahawks have also incorporated a ground game and they did surprise me. They had a big RB who made a lot of yards on the ground against a formidable run heavy defence. Having #66 does help as well. Its good to see the maturity of players who have played college ball and #66 showed why he can play.

Their O-line (who also have some girth) performed admirably against the large Outlaws D-line, slowly making the yards and their counters and off tackle runnng were working well. The last play of the half was somewhat controversial or open for discussion in the politically correct world.

Seahawks went for it inside the redzone on 4th down and from the sidelines it appeared short where the ball was spotted by the side judge. After much screaming and yelling from Coach Gaffey the Head ref blew a 1st down and it did not appear that any chains were requested or made it onto the field.

The Seahawks then scored on the next drive going up at the half. The Outlaws offence in the first half was nonchelant and RB Stuart Etcell was continually met in the backfield by 3-4 tacklers. (Blitz pickups O-lineman like i say every week Smile

)

The second half saw the same as the first with the Hawks pounding on the ground. The difference here was that the Outlaws Offence awoke and scored on special teams by RB Stuart Etcell followed by some brilliant scrambling from the QB who threw two deep bombs to wide open receivers.

The Seahawks did eveything they were supposed to against a tough Outlaws team but did not EXECUTE when it mattered. The Outlaws D kicked up a gear and the D-line let the Linebackers do the rest and stopped the RB in the backifeld and the LOS. (You can make yards all day but if you dont score or stop the opposition scoring more than you then gained yards mean nothing)

Well done to everybody who participated this weekend and I'm glad I witnessed two tough and uncomprimising games. To quote my friends words ' Football in Australia is definitely improving and I know I will be seeing more kids playing college ball back home in the future'

That's how Jammin saw it Smile

By Gaff - 10/10/2011 11:52:14 PM

For the record...the only issue with the last play of the first half was that the side officials need to be more accurate and decisive with their spotting of the ball.

Because the side judges couldnt decide the spot or the 4th or 1st down ruling, the head official had no option but to stop the clock while they sorted it out.

As there was 22 seconds on what would have been a running clock on the 4th down call, or started from the ready or if it had been giving the 1st decisively, they may or may not have had an opportunity to run the play that got them the score and 8 point lead into the 2nd half.

All that aside, I thought John did a good job, it was a very tough game against a quality team that could have gone either way right down to the last play.

(p.s. couldnt agree more about the receivers holding penalties...but thats life)

By Luxford - 11/10/2011 8:48:37 AM

All four games were close on the weekend with all teams winning by a combined score of 18 points.... I think the competition is definaitely more competitive this year. There have been a couple of blow outs but not as many as last year..... All Teams need to hang in there and keep their players and there will be continued improvement.

By Outlaw54 - 11/10/2011 7:12:22 PM

Jammin

Thanks for your honest assessment of the games you have watched over the season. I want to add that i couldn't agree with you more regarding the holidng penalties.

Our last game was a very tough one and full credit goes to the Seahawks Offenisve Line who played tough all game. A lot of things were missed by the refs which was dissapointing but that's just football I guess.

I am glad things are being noticed though. This just comes down to teaching the fundamentals properly and those fundamentals being enforced through officiating and it happens to everybody on each team each week, not just mine.

My only issue to add to what Coach Gaff said in reply to your comment was that the 4th down call in the 1st half was spotted by the side judge. It was clearly two yards short of the 1st down.

I as team captain requested the chains to get a measurement as i felt it was a turnover. I was waved off by the Head Ref who said 'I'm the ref , I don't need the chains and its a 1st down'.

Correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding on NCAA rules is that if the 1st down is contentious then the chains must come onto the field to measure where the ball was spotted.

All in all it was a tough game against a quality opponent and I was glad to get the win. I'll leave the officiating to the guys who give up their time each week to have us all on the field even though at times they frustrate the hell out of me.

By Invictus - 11/10/2011 8:13:45 PM

Panda (9/10/2011)

Based on what you're saying you believe UTS to be #2 behind the Lions at this stage with the Outlaws maybe at #3 and we can forget the rest, yes?

Panda, I'm a little disappointed with the lack of technicolour, but I guess we're in a more rationale debate space now.

Interesting that Jammin and various others saw the Lions/Pirates game the way they did - perhaps I'm more easily frustrated, or missed some of the better plays (I was watching RWC as well).

As regards ordering the teams, I'd say there is a top 4 which has been historically pretty consistent.

Lions still up top by virtue of still being unbeaten since the days of colonisation, but looking less invincible as some of the components of the team change. Not sure if they are carrying injuries or have had the so-called skill position players leave/retire but it looks to be a new cast there.

UTS/Pirates - too contentious to split them up, but they've been the Lion's opponents in the last 5 grand finals which tells its own story.

Outlaws - haven't seen them play beyond the mega-scrimmage this season, but their results suggest that they're recovering from the dip they endured for the past couple of seasons. They were pretty listless before Gaff rejoined them - probably a coincidence!!!!

Despite them being in the bottom half of the table I'd rate Seahawks as the team most likely based on the fact that I know they're better then they have been for the past couple of years thanks to some new faces having played them this year. No disrespect to the Preds, but I can only remember having played them once so have no season to season form to directly compare.

For me the Outlaws and Seahawks show the importance of having the hogs up front - if there's no line, there's basically no offense other than QB's running for their lives which is fun if you dislike QB's (which I do).

Stangs/Preds/Sharks/Bondi - without having played them this season (or indeed last), can't comment substantively, but.....

By Gaff - 12/10/2011 9:01:07 AM

coincidence...pfft!

Coach of the year - just throwing it out there!! Laugh

By Invictus - 12/10/2011 7:57:29 PM

You must have a learnt a lot from the past 2 years!

By Gaff - 12/10/2011 9:55:22 PM

WHAT?? no comment on the colouring?

Come on Mike...it was just for you!

By Monkeyboy - 12/10/2011 10:59:19 PM

By Invictus - 13/10/2011 8:02:21 PM

bear (12/10/2011)

He has gone colour blind in his old age. He still thinks he is white.

You may think you're funny - trust me you're not. 24 hours to remove it.

By Kiwi Wayne - 13/10/2011 8:27:48 PM

Invictus (13/10/2011)

bear (12/10/2011)

He has gone colour blind in his old age. He still thinks he is white.

You may think you're funny - trust me you're not. 24 hours to remove it.

Or?????

By Monkeyboy - 13/10/2011 9:14:59 PM

Kiwi Wayne (13/10/2011)

Invictus (13/10/2011)

bear (12/10/2011)

He has gone colour blind in his old age. He still thinks he is white.

You may think you're funny - trust me you're not. 24 hours to remove it.

Or?????

Also lost his sense of humor. That's fine, I will try to remove it. I was able to.

By Lions53 - 14/10/2011 3:57:02 AM

bear (13/10/2011)

Kiwi Wayne (13/10/2011)

Invictus (13/10/2011)

bear (12/10/2011)

He has gone colour blind in his old age. He still thinks he is white.

You may think you're funny - trust me you're not. 24 hours to remove it.

Or?????

Also lost his sense of humor. That's fine, I will try to remove it. I was able to.

Is it old age or diabeties (or both) that leading to the blindness ... I know that he has been one-eyed for years, maybe he lost his sight, sense of humour and hair all at the same time ...?

I love how Harper quoted 'Bear' and therefore, even though the original has been removed, the statement has been preserves by Harper's re-quoting ... Haha (or as the younger people say LOL)

Harper, by the way (BTW - as the young people say) here's my money, $52 by my count ... ($26 for every game that Syd U has beaten UTS and then double or nothing at the last year Waratah Bowl, when Syd Uni beat UTS AGAIN to take their record to 27-0) , I need the money to pay off my person team fines for penatly yards I've given up ...

One final thing, which I love to point out at this time of the year ... UTS has never beat Syd Uni ... Never EVER ... in nearly 20 years of playing each other and 26 times head-to-head, UTS has NEVER beat Sydney Uni. Making UTS to holder the honourable title of the worst performing team against the Lions. Hold that title with pride boys, maybe that can be a line that you can put in your team song, the song that is sung after UTS victories, but has never been sung after a Sydney Uni v UTS game ...

By Load66 - 14/10/2011 9:44:16 AM

Congratulations on 100 posts on thebear DA... Under one username. Whoever had the bet that his 100th post would mention UTS never beating the Lions, please proceed to the counter to collect your winnings. It was paying $1.01.

On a different note, I just wanted to highlight to everyone that the Lions have been updating the website with news stories, historical pieces, pictures and more. If you're bored on a Friday afternoon and the office has blocked Facebook, check out http://www.sydneyunigridiron.com/ for some procrastination inspiration.

By Invictus - 14/10/2011 8:01:04 PM

I'm surprised it was paying as much - he's got a touch of the Gandalf's that ancient snapper - "you shall not paaaaasssssss" - well, DA the day's on its way, and I'll be there. Just have to avoid those guards tho

By Jammin - 14/10/2011 8:56:03 PM

Apologies for the lateness,

Sometimes working for the man sux. Makes me wish I was a free loving hippy roaming the streets of Nymban naked and high. Crazy

So having said that here are the Round 7 Previews for all you guys who feel my opinion is worth anything BigGrin

Lions vs Seahawks

The Seahawks have surprised me so far with their tough running game. RB Mike Hall is really making those yards and played well against the Outlaws run Heavy Defence. The Lions are coming off a very gritty win and will want to continue that momentum going into this game. Where will this game be won you might ask? The Offensive line.

We all know Uni's Offensive line has been the benchmark for a few years now, so they will continue to play hard and tough opening the lanes for the RB's. The Seahawks Offensive Line on the other hand have really impressed with their new recruits and will need to do the same this week against the best ranked Defence in the league.

The Seahawks need to play all 4qtrs with the same conisistency and take a leaf out fo the Lions book and do one thing, EXECUTE! Their Defence, although a little undersized have plenty of speed and can get into the backfield which is what they will need to do to hurry QB Kiernan Dorney.(He plays so laid back, i'm convinced he is from Nymban Wink

)

This is going to be a long hard slog between both teams but I cannot go past the Lions juggernaut and stranglehold they have on this competition.

Lions 40 - Seahawks 21

Sharks vs Raiders

What do these two teams have to play for? PRIDE. This will the battle of the cellar dwellers and both teams will be eagerly anticipating this match to record their first W of the season.

The Raiders really dropped the ball last week against the Mustangs and paid dearly for their mistakes. The Sharks on the other hand will need to hire a Bus and stop off at Wyong Hospital to round up the troops and get them to suit up and play.

I can go on and talk the X's and O's about this game but the winner of this simply will come down to who really wants it and what will they sacrifice to get it? Their are two very experienced Head coaches leading these teams who will really be pulling out the stops to get the W.

I'm tipping those Sharks based on being unlucky in a few previous results but no other team plays with more heart than those boys. Smile

Sharks 20-18

Mustangs vs Pirates

Two sides of the coin. On one side the Pirates almost had the immortal scalp and let it slip. On the other side the Mustangs were gone and came back to record their first sweet victory.

The question is can the Stangs do it again? They will need to play big once again and really have a go against the much fancied opponents. They showed they can really pass the ball and the O-line held their own. This all needs to happen again over 4qtrs for them to succeed.

The Stangs defence will have to penetrate the Pirates O-line and stop their runs if they are a chance. They definitely have the speed and talent to stop the ball in the air but its the ground game that will be what counts.

The Pirates will continue to pound the ball and then go to the air. I do not see a much diferent game plan from them apart from resting their starters late in the game if they feel they are in a position to do that. The Defence will play much the same but will need to be weary of those underneath balls and the long bombs.

Pirates to win comfortably 35-14

Outlaws vs UTS

This is the game of the round and the winner will be in 3rd place outright so there is plenty to play for. This game will be all about the masquerading of formations. UTS will end up running thier Option, counters and outside zones, then try their hand in the air.

The Gators O-Line really need to play big against the Outlaws run heavy D. I don't think they will be as strong as what the Seahawks O-line were the previous week but have the experience to do the job.

The Gator defence will need to respect the Outlaws passing game after they make sure that they stop RB Stuart Etcell first. The Outlaws showed that their play action can be quite ominous.

The Outlaws offence will again need to play hard all game and the O-line will need to stop those blitzers. All Stuart Etcell needs is half a lane and he will do the rest.(I still rank him as one of the best RB's in the country). The QB showed has has some range on his throws so th play action will be vital to put off the swarming defenders.

The Outlaws Defence on the other hand will be filthy from last week letting the Seahawks chew up so many yards on the ground, but to their credit they made the big plays when it counted and got the ball back in the last plays of the game. I highly doubt the D-Line and Linebackers particulalrly will let this happen for the second week in a row. (I'm so glad i'm a spectator and not a RB going up against these boys) Ermm

This game will be right down to the wire and i'm going out on a limb and predicting:

Outlaws 28-21 (Sorry Invictus but thats what i think)

Have a great game this weekend and Jammin will be somewhere watching. Smile

By Panda - 14/10/2011 9:21:50 PM

Wow there has certainly been some personalised messages in recent times! Not sure what that's all about.

On a more important note though, can someone please tell me why some people refer to UTS as "the Gators"? I'm sure that there is a simple answer but from what I can tell looking at their website and certainly the University there is no mention of Gators anywhere. If someone can explain it would be appreciated.

My predictions later.

By Monkeyboy - 14/10/2011 10:39:31 PM

[quote]Panda (14/10/2011)

Wow there has certainly been some personalised messages in recent times! Not sure what that's all about.[quote]

Panda, this place is all about cheap talk and having fun. Guys who have played against each other over the years and maybe even played state together. Probably hate and want to kill each other on the field but will shake hands as soon as the game is finished. Also a good way of garnering interest in the games played or to be played. You will probably find it is mostly the old heads who are on here anyway as we have no other life like you young 'uns.

By Lions53 - 14/10/2011 10:50:14 PM

Panda (14/10/2011)

In 1994 they were the "Grey Lizards" ... so maybe they just got old and slow and that's why they became the 'Gators" ...

By TacoBell - 14/10/2011 10:54:55 PM

Lions53 (14/10/2011)

Panda (14/10/2011)

In 1994 they were the "Grey Lizards" ... so maybe they just got old and slow and that's why they became the 'Gators" ...

Weren't Uni originally the Storm-Troopers?

By DaveQB - 14/10/2011 11:36:54 PM

UTS were going to be called the Gators, I think in 2008, but it never officially happened (I think the University was opposed). So they never have nor are they currently called the "Gators".

That is my understanding anyway.

By Panda - 14/10/2011 11:54:39 PM

DaveQB (14/10/2011)

Thank you. I knew they weren't called the Stormtroopers because I looked up the details on the Pirates website and that name was apparently used by Sydney University. That website also mentions that UTS were the Grey Lizards and the Eagles but no mention of the Gators, hence my question.

Not that it's a big deal what a team is called I guess but I was a bit confused that's all. Thanks for clearing it up.

By Jammin - 15/10/2011 1:21:24 AM

They call themselves the Gators. I'm not familiar whether its official or not. sounds more like NOT. Even over the years their pre game chants have always been Gators.

So am i the only old guy who has years on any of you have predicitons for the weekend?

By Panda - 15/10/2011 1:47:58 AM

Jammin (14/10/2011)

They call themselves the Gators. I'm not familiar whether its official or not. sounds more like NOT. Even over the years their pre game chants have always been Gators.

Nothing wrong with talking yourself up I guess. It's just an interesting choice for a team name I suppose, especially as it's not official in any way.

My thoughts on the weekend to come -

Lions vs Seahawks -

You can't go past the Lions here. Even though the Seahawks seem to have more numbers this year I suspect that their renewed running game won't be enough. The Lions will still be smarting from their performance last week where they almost let one slip so they'll be more than ready for this one.

Lions 42 - Seahawks 7

Sharks vs Raiders -

What can you say about this game? Both teams fighting to earn some respect and both with small and somewhat banged-up rosters. It's almost like last man standing so I'll have to toss a coin.

Sharks 16 - Raiders 14

Mustangs vs Pirates -

Last week the Mustangs got their first win and the Pirates suffered their first loss. I suspect that the Pirates will be hurting more than they will let on as they will have some injury woes after meeting the Lions. The Mustangs are a gritty team that continues to fight on and they are capable of an upset, but I don't see it happening. The Pirates will probalby have enough talent to win - just.

Pirates 21 - Mustangs 18

Outlaws vs UTS (sorry, I can't bring myself to call them "Gators") -

This will be a tough game and one well worth watching. Considering that the Outlaws have bounced back from that awful drubbing at the hands of the Lions in Week 1 I can see why Coach Gaffey is talking about himself as Coach of the Year. It has been a great effort. On the other hand UTS are lying in wait, ready to come out swinging after their Bye. It will be another close one but I slight favour the UTS - but I could well be wrong.

UTS 28 - Outlaws 21

By Gaff - 15/10/2011 2:10:36 AM

Just fopr the record...The coach of the year thing was a massive piss-take at myself. (i.e a joke)

By Panda - 15/10/2011 6:22:54 PM

Dubai

By Thomas in London - 16/10/2011 4:09:06 AM

Goodness, some people are too young in here to remember the original names of the clubs, Sydney Uni were called the Storm troopers for one season because of Star Wars if memory serves me right, but that story is for a Sydney Uni player to tell....

In terms of UTS it has always been and it always will be UTS Gridiron Football Club, it has never had any other official LEGAL name, I have seen Liverpool's site and it has some factual errors.... in regards to the gators, lizards etc this has to do when UTS first became a university back in the late 80's and the original mascot was H'arry Long legs which was a green lizard and it was used for the drinking competitionS by the social and sports clubs ( yes, I know shock horror university drinking games!!) it was ALSO used for the early university and sports competitions ( I still have some of the original posters and things stashed somewhere).

(I remember vaguely a council meetings when the University was trying to tie itself with professional Rugby clubs to bring the lizard as an official mascot but thankfully never happened)

The original CONCEPT of the frill neck lizard later a Grey Lizard was to bring it in line with the University back in 1993 as all clubs used the lizard as a mascot after the rules where relaxed it was switched to eagles again just to find ourselves an indentity within the university as youngest sports clubs.... the issue of GATORS was to bring back the long lost mascot which alas and sadly is no longer in use by the university consistently as the university has changed completely from those early days but in reality the club is still is UTS Gridiron Club

By MustangsQB - 16/10/2011 6:58:36 AM

Mustangs over Pirates 30-20 and from what I hear Lions over Seahawks 53-12

By Monkeyboy - 16/10/2011 8:29:26 AM

Outlaws 35 UTS 12 or there abouts.

By Panda - 16/10/2011 8:43:34 PM

You can't be serious.

The Pirates lose to the Mustangs? (I must admit to almost peeing myself laughing when I read that one w00t

)

The UTS lose to the Outlaws?

I guess the League Executive need to organise someone to get another trophy for the Lions then because it doesn't appear as though anyone can derail them (again)

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 17/10/2011 1:21:15 AM

gee panda im glad you dont play 4 outlaws ... cause i know every single 1 of us beleive we have a chance for that title as i beleive would be the same for a few teams ,yea we got spanked in first game but we have trained hard n got alot better for it threw our passion n great coaches.... as for stangs i say well done lads on fighting for that win unlucky for pirates but they will be back ... to call it laughable is just disrespectful for the efforts players put in.. an as for UTS i know when we play again in 3 weeks they will come out hard like the great team they are.. i know im still sore from last night game .... i think its great the way teams are steppin up this season... n yes lions r benchmark but that just makes me train harder n study game more ... out-wat ??? OUT-LAWS !!!!

By Panda - 17/10/2011 2:46:35 AM

Hey kiwi-outlaw65 you're kidding right?

You mean to tell me that you and your teammates didn't have a laugh at the Pirates expense? You mean to tell me that you and your teammates didn't breath a sigh of relief because the Pirates are now teetering on the brink of missing out on the Top 4 (especially after you beat them right?). You mean to tell me that your Coach (of the Year) Gaffey won't be telling you what a bunch of pussies the Pirates are and how they are ripe for the kicking?

Maybe we should all just sit back and say to the Mustangs, "Jolly good show, what?" and say to the Pirates, "Bad luck old thing, better luck next time."

Nope, not buying it, sorry. Your team would be happy to see the Pirates get a huge kick in the butt to bring them down a peg or two, and if it means that the Mustangs got a leg up then good for them. If you say they didn't then I guess I'll just go and Whistling

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 17/10/2011 3:06:26 AM

bro we didnt once laugh at the pirates expence .. personaly i think it will make our game vs them harder cause there gunna want to send a msg ... and i must say u must not ever have had the privledge of bein coached by coach gaff or coach dazz .. cause i can tell u first hand they tell us to worry bout ourselves n our responsibilitys never to focus on the other teams n how they have played ... me personaly i think each team in this comp is strong n on there day can beat anyone & yes that means beat the lions ... all i will say is i dont think a loss makes u play worse look at us we got belted in the first n now 5 in a row ....out-wat???? OUT-LAWS !!!!!!!

By Panda - 17/10/2011 3:33:15 AM

By Gaff - 17/10/2011 5:41:03 AM

Ill tell you and everyone else exactly what Coach "of the year (pfft)" Gaffey told my players after the game last night.

The Pirates NEVER play badly against us and i have never played them as a player or a coach where Ive taken them as an easy beat team...i dont care what the result of their game was last night, they will be a different team next week. Of that i am 100% certain.

Invicutus: please note the use of color

By stang64 - 17/10/2011 7:29:01 AM

It was a great game to take part in, they never gave up and either did we. Look out people the stangs are here to play

By Invictus - 17/10/2011 7:07:22 PM

Pirates-Stangs game was one of those "really?" moments - didn't get to see the game, but I would imagine the Pirates will be pretty fillthy. Good for the Stangs coming up with that victory - it'll give them such a shot in the arm. They've got those kinds of games in them.

Not much to say about the UTS - Outlaws game other than Etchell has stil lgot gas in the tank and the Outlaws are getting better - something to do with the coaching I would hazard as a guess..... Lord knows it looked like fun out on the field....and I'm looking forward to getting held by #65 (have ypu been watching the Dave Allen coaching tape one wonders bro??!!??).

Still, good for the league that the level of competition seems to be trending upwards - hopefully it provides some impetus for the non-Lions teams out there to step up and compete regularyl with those good folks from Choppendale. Interestingly enough its about building lines these days 'cos you can't play without the hogs on either side of the LoS.

Gaff, I am grateful for the sliver of technicoloured wisdom you have shone into my dreary little world on a Monday morning.

I'll be bear hunting soon enough........

By Jammin - 17/10/2011 8:55:04 PM

Week 7 has come and gone and what a fun filled day this was. Talk about the highs and lows in football. I thought i'd make life easier for myself this week and head out to one ground.

So here are the reviews

Pirates vs Mustangs

First impressions are deceiving. Picture this, one sideline has about 60 players. the other sideline looked like 25 undersized kids. I went to buy my first beverage and was asked by the bar staff if the Mustangs were under 18's playing the Pirates 1st team BigGrin

All i can say is 'Go Mustangs'. Now you have heard me mention the Sharks on numeous occasions about having heart, but i will officially declare now that the Mustangs are in the same class. (They must have watched Gridiron gang on the bus for some inspiration BigGrin

).

It was to look like doom and gloom early for the Mustangs as they muffed the opening kickoff, lost the ball in their red zone and the Pirates score. Having said all that 'al contrair'(excuse my poor french). Wow

The Mustangs offence played their hearts out for 4qtrs. I have to give a wrap to the O-line who held the big Pirates D-line at bay all game and big props to the stangs RB #24 who had a blinder.

The Mustangs offence were really clicking and really,really exposed the Pirates Secondary who were fast asleep in the back field. some great combinations from the QB to his WR's who seemed to catch everything out there made them a very cohesive unit and forced the Pirates D to review their game plan.

The Stangs Defence played with heart all game and really stopped the Pirates Offence in their tracks. Edge running STOPPED! Dives STOPPED! Short Passes STOPPED!, get my drift. I give credit to the entire D but special mention to the D-line who just dug their heels in and gave a new meaning to putting your body on the line for your team.

The Pirates had a sub par performance and nothing went right for them. (Black uniforms on a hot day doesnt help either). I will acknowledge they had some key starters out and their were some positional changes, however the 11 that took the field did not perform on this occassion. (again due to the Mustangs execution).

The Pirates Offence were out of sorts and although they did pound the ball on a few plays successfully with #81, they just did not execute over 4qtrs. Their timing was just not right.

The Pirates Defence struggled to contain the Mustangs on the edges and medium to deep passes in the back field. Their Secondary got exposed and were left chasing receivers most of the game. The D-line did play tough but the heat must have affected the big boys as they were not as sharp as usual.

This was an enjoyable game to see David kill Goliath. Smile

So where does this leave the Pirates you might ask?

They will need to bounce back and find their form very quickly as they face a tough game against the Outlaws next. If they lose this one then all hell will break loose on the GNSW ladder.

The Mustangs on the other hand will take each game as it comes and try and continue the momentum and rack up some W's.

UTS vs Outlaws

Ok, my previous post I mentioned Gators and once again it was confirmed they call themselves Gators as their pre game chant clearly mentioned this.(INVICTUS help me here cause i know you read my posts with great enthusiasm Wink

)

This game was another entertaining one to watch and my predicitions wer correct regarding the victorious team.

The Outlaws have definitely found form and are a vastly improved team from Rd 1 under 'coach of the year' Gaffey.(I got your joke Wink

) The Offense really stood up and got noticed. RB Stuart Etcell still proves that he could still be easily representing state and country if he chose too.(Why did you not go to the World Cup??).

The Offensive line really stepped up against UTS and made the holes for #22 to do the rest. The biggest point of difference is that everybody knows the Outlaws run so opposing defences stack the box, however their passing game is what got them the yards.

The Outlaws QB had a really strong game and looks to be playing with more confidence each week behind his line. He has shown he has good range and connected with one of his WR(who is 6'12 in the shade Smile

) for a long TD.

The Outlaws Defence again showed why they are a tough opposition and stopped the UTS attacks. Although RB Jean Prill got out on that edge a few times they were able to shut him out for most of the game. the Mammoths up front overpowered the UTS O-line and got in the backfield on several occassions leaving the lanes open for the Linebackers and DB's to assist.

A few key interceptions and the game was won for the Outlaws.

UTS could not find the answers out there and really missed Coach Bosco on the sidelines giving the instructions. they tried everything OPTION, DIVES, PITCHES BOMBS and did not execute.

The UTS Defence did hold their own and almost swung the momentum back in the 3rd Qtr. A huge and lucky play on their goaline when Etcell ran up the middle and stopped inches short on 4th down giving them the ball back. Again they spent a lot of time on the field and looked gassed.

It was a commanding display by the Outlaws who never looked like losing.

So, this weeks matchup mean a lot more to the top 4 teams than people realise.

UTS need to improve or they may be looking at 2 key losses in a row

Pirates need to win or are out of the top 4

Outlaws need to win to stay in 2nd

Lions will stay in 1st regardless if they lose.

That's how Jammin saw it and it was a great day out at the Airport hockey fields. Smile

I did want to mention the refs in the 2nd game particualrly did a very good job Wink

By Panda - 17/10/2011 11:00:11 PM

Thomas in London (15/10/2011)

I have seen Liverpool's site and it has some factual errors.... in regards to the gators, lizards etc

Thank you Thomas for the explanation as it clears things up from a UTS perspective. I was a little lost with the website you are referring to above though. Can you clarify where I should look or what you were referring to please?

Good game reports Jammin. Many thanks for your insights

By Monkeyboy - 17/10/2011 11:14:21 PM

Panda (17/10/2011)

Thomas in London (15/10/2011)

I have seen Liverpool's site and it has some factual errors.... in regards to the gators, lizards etc

I think Thomas means the Pirates website if it is on there.

By Outlaw54 - 18/10/2011 12:28:31 AM

Panda (16/10/2011)

Panda,

Just wanted to chime in on your banter with my kiwi team mate. We didn't laugh at the Pirates expense when they got beat nor did we breathe a sigh of relief for their loss.

We attempt to play anybody who is in front of us the same way every week, tough & physical. Regardless of wins vs Losses, i'm sure the rest of the teams out there respect us for our style of play and we show the same in return. Obviously I'm not saying 'better luck next time' to them as we play them.

I would love nothing more than to see our local rivals get a 'butt kicking' as you have posted, however that butt kicking is only satisfying if its from us giving it to them and getting the win. I know they will be training the house down to shake off that negative result and try to take our scalp first, making the game even tougher for us.

I dont know if you play or who you play for but feel free to come down and watch the Outlaws vs Pirates this weekend and see the mutual respect we have for each other even though we are rivals and a few of us are actual mates with some Pirates players as well.

I highly doubt you will see any gloating from either team towards each other at the end of the game.(And at Tak King..make sure you have that case ready..lol)

Well you know who i am so maybe we will all get to know you some day

Cheers #54

By Panda - 18/10/2011 12:51:23 AM

Outlaw 54,

A good response, and I understand what you and your kiwi team mate were saying. I get the fact that you guys play tough and I appreciate your honesty in your approach.

Good luck this coming week and for the remainder of the year.

By Dapto 58 - 18/10/2011 2:55:40 AM

hey panda,

i must admit ur such a troll, the stangs train hard and play hard, we have alot of new talent every year as the team tries to rebuild and with people injured and numbers slowly rising we do have to take our time and we will face some beat downs, but that doesnt mean that you can get on here and talk crap, whoever you are, ur a scared little cat hiding behind your computer. anyways well done stangs on fighting hard for the win, the winning starts builiding from here

Dapto

By Luxford - 18/10/2011 3:30:43 AM

Congratulations to the Mustangs on their victory over the Pirates.... I am not a Pirates hater but everyone in this Forum knows that the Mustangs were probably considrerd the Underdog, also Congratulations to the outlaws on their Victory over UTS. Stuart Etcell is a strong candidate for the wolfpack.

By Panda - 18/10/2011 4:44:57 AM

Ah Dapto 12 you're a funny fellow.

Can the person reading this to Dapto 12 please read slowly as he obviously has difficulty with comprehension (and spelling, but let's not go there)

I wasn't actually belittling the Mustangs but rather the Pirates who boast a large roster and have been somewhat effective throughout the season to date. As Luxfod so eloquently stated, the Mustangs would have been considered by many to be the underdogs going into the contest, so for them to win somewhat against the odds is a good thing for them, and a negative one for the Pirates. (Am I making sense so far?)

As for me being a "troll" I assume you are rererring to Scandanavian Folklore where Trolls are considered to be "any of a race of supernatural beings, variously conceived of as giants or dwarfs, living underground or in caves". So is that a compliment or an insult?

Must have been an insult as you called me a scared little cat hiding behind my computer...much the same as yourself?

Anyway, I digress. Here it is in bold print for all the Mustang faithful - Well done the Mustangs for beating the odds and recording an impressive victory over the Pirates

To whoever is reading this to Dapto 12, thank you.

By Dapto 58 - 18/10/2011 8:19:02 AM

ah panda, how can i stay mad when you put it in such simple terms (and in a way that made me laugh quite alot), it was my mistake i thought you were making an insult at the mustangs expense. as for my spelling, i dont care so much when typing on a computer, and im happy to identify who I am and not hide behind a computer, im not hard to find, im the bloke on crutches standing on the Mustangs bench Wink

and surely you jest as you would have to know I used the term troll in a colloquial manner to refer to someone who intentionally causes arguments on the internet through smack talk Smile

happy to clarify that for you Panda.

As for needing someone to read it to me, don't be so mean its not my fault.

To conclude this, I dont think the pirates deserve to be made the ass of a joke either as they did come to play and anyone who has been involved in any code of football knows on any given day an upset is on the cards so I don't think it fair that you try to talk down to them either. Anyways this is just friendly banter between players i would assume and nothing more Smile

Dapto

P.s thank you for the compliment, I do appreciate people recognise that I am a funny fellow

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 18/10/2011 10:19:04 AM

hey outlaw 54 or is it jammin hmmmm are you the same person lol that 1's for you coach gaff
on another note sorry panda didnt mean to get you blasted on by all the ppl my bad
& lastly invictus (holding) come on now u have to take the field to get held bro lol n u know no offensive lineman ever holds bahahahahaha

By Outlaw54 - 18/10/2011 6:32:35 PM

Ah Kiwi-Outlaws 65 my young friend. You want to have some banter on the bear?? Unfortunately although I respect Coach Gaff highly , he is not always right and his assumptions and yours are flawed.

Now do you honestly think my mrs would let me out of the house to watch as many games outside of our own? HELL NO! Its hard enough to be allowed out three times a week. I suppose thats why these forums are amusing cause some people choose to reveal who they are i.e me and others like to be anonymous or troll.

see you at training

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 18/10/2011 7:12:16 PM

mr outlaw54 aka latino loco aka zohan aka ugly phil bahahahaha its cool i know ya not jamming just cracks me up how coach gaff is adamant u are ... and um see me at training ??? r u eva at training ?? oh yea thats right ya da old guy on the sidline injured lol .. jokes see ya on wend bro

By Panda - 18/10/2011 7:12:23 PM

Monkeyboy (17/10/2011)

Panda (17/10/2011)

Thomas in London (15/10/2011)

I have seen Liverpool's site and it has some factual errors.... in regards to the gators, lizards etc

I think Thomas means the Pirates website if it is on there.

Thank you Monkeyboy for clearing that up. There is a sense of irony in that Thomas suggests that the website (now identified as the Pirates website) has some factual errors yet he refers to them by a name that they haven't used since the early 90's. Some much for being factually correct!

Dapto 12 - I'm glad to see that we're on speaking terms again Smile

and I take your point about making a joke at the Pirates expense too. Seriously that wasn't my intention. I think it was Invictus who mentioned that it was a "David and Goliath" type game (or something like that) and when I heard the result my immediate reaction was WTF?? Hence my posts. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

kiwi-outlaw65 - All good and no harm done. As I said previously best of luck for the remainder of the year. I can see the Outlaws going undefeated the rest of the way and finishing the Regular Season at 9-1

By Gaff - 18/10/2011 8:01:03 PM

you guys know the rules...

Rule # 1 - I am always right
Rule # 2 - If i am ever wrong, refer to rule # 1

I know its you Chris ! Wink

By Dapto 58 - 18/10/2011 8:58:39 PM

Panda-No worries, its amazing how talking through problems can get them solved haha, no worries, I do apologise for the over-reaction, anyways i do understand alot of reactions to the game would have been WTF but like last year when we beat the seahawks in the final game of the season, it seems like people belittle the wins by making it a joke on the winners and the losers, we play hard, train hard and deserve a win when we play with the structure we have been learning, thus the over-reaction cos the boys deserve credit for the effort they put in, finally getting the Ws is a reward for years of hard work, including the years of work our boys have put in behind the scenes. Not saying u were trying to belittle anymore, i understand it wasnt your intention but you get where im coming from now, cos it still does make it look like we didnt deserve it when people make it a joke.

ANyways all a misunderstanding, its all sweet Smile

just looking forward to some more solid footy and seeing this league grow more and more

Dapto

By Monkeyboy - 18/10/2011 9:25:29 PM

Dapto 12, Stangs have something that I think only the Lions also have. That is a great attitude. No disrespect to all the other teams but the Stangs have always had a great attitude but have never been able to put it on the field correctly. You have a bit more of a killer streak in you this year and hopefully you guys can continue throughout this year and beyond. I think you may sneak into 6th place ahead of the Hawks this week.

By Dapto 58 - 18/10/2011 10:21:35 PM

thats fair monkeyboy, well if we can keep alot of the boys playing and growing in experience then we have the chance to really push forward, no team can come back after a yr off and expect to destroy a competition over a couple of years, it takes time but im super proud that games which were close last year we are converting on this year, early shakes with some rookies but everyone is starting to get set and actually firm in their positions.

Dapto

By Gaff - 18/10/2011 10:49:06 PM

In all honesty dapto (and its only my opinion), the only thing holding you guys back is dedicated coaching staff on the sideline. Dont take me the wrong way, I just see it as the only way you can grow properly as a team (and from my efforts on Sat im sure nyou will see that I mean it from a positive point of view, not a negative)

You need structure and discipline which only comes from the right structure.

If you fix that problem...you are well set to improve.

By G-unit - 18/10/2011 11:11:12 PM

GAFF 2011 Starts here....

By Gaff - 19/10/2011 1:49:18 AM

im not sure what you mean Giff...but i like the pic

coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year
coach of the year

By G-unit - 19/10/2011 2:39:10 AM

What about now Gaff?

By Gaff - 19/10/2011 5:28:32 AM

bahahahahahahahaha, love it!

By Thomas in London - 19/10/2011 7:53:57 AM

Panda (18/10/2011)

Monkeyboy (17/10/2011)

Panda (17/10/2011)

Thomas in London (15/10/2011)

I have seen Liverpool's site and it has some factual errors.... in regards to the gators, lizards etc

I think Thomas means the Pirates website if it is on there.

Point take about then name change, and not being factually correct .... If I remember it change somewhere around 1995??? could be wrong I only used as it point of reference for myself as far I know you are still based out of Liverpool in Craik Park. The factual errors are not that important, in terms of history I would love to see all the information that is still about around NSW as I have seen over the years and most recently when I was there in August and brought together.

By Jammin - 19/10/2011 6:43:14 PM

You trolls are funny,

Is it really that important that my identity is revealed? My write ups are about football and I am not a journo. Smile

For the curious minds, i did give a little detail about myself way back as to who i like and support etc. Just for the record, I no longer play as i'm too old and am not affiliated with any club. I'm a fan of the game and try to get out to as many possible when time permits.

My predictions coming soon. Out of all weeks to be sent away, I unfortuantely will miss the next two games. Angry

My boss has succumbed to selecting me to travel on his behalf. I might even try and catch some GQLD games while im up there and compare the comps.

Cheers

By Jammin - 21/10/2011 12:13:48 AM

Round 8 and now in the home stretch of the competition. I could not see a more important round so far than the one this weekend and I wont be there for it. It’s the battle of the Big 4 contenders this weekend which should make for some tough physical football.

Lions vs UTS

The Lions are still yet to be defeated for the last 4 years or so. If there is one game this team highlights on its calendar its beating down on their scholastic rivals and neighbours from Broadway.

UTS find themselves in an awkward situation where they could be facing two losses in a row playoff bound teams. This game will be physical and the Lions will pound the ball. Once they smell the fatigue, QB Dorney will lock and load and start throwing those missiles downfield.

UTS will be much the same with their outside runs hoping Jean Prill gets that sideline and turn on the jets. They will again try and run those option packages but I feel the highly skilled Lions Defence would shut that down very quickly.

So this will force UTS to throw and they do not look as strong in the air as in previous seasons. I must say I am looking at yet another dominant Lions display who will try and score as much as possible and beat up their old foe

Lions 56- 7

Pirates vs Outlaws

The question will be can the Pirates recover mentally from their loss to the Mustangs? I’m sure coach Taylor has really drilled into them about playing across four quarters and executing. This is another local derby which spectators will be witnessing some big hits from probably the two largest teams in the competition.

The Pirates Offensive line will really need to muscle up on the Outlaws D-line and drive them back to be effective. The Pirates defence will need to shut down RB Stuart Etcell if they are to have a chance. I think the Pirates will try to run the ball early and test the waters, however they might go back to the air and even look at some spread formations against their similiar style of play opponents.

The Outlaws are travelling nicely and seem to have found their groove. They will be looking to continue the momentum after a solid win last week against a higher ranked team. The Offensive line will again need to step up and shut down the Pirates D-line and open the lanes for RB Etcell.

The Outlaws Defence will need to play similar to their last few games and be in the face of the Pirates and forcing them to release the ball early. If the Outlaws D can hold the boundaries then I see them dominating.

Talk about trench warfare since that’s where the game will be won here IMO.

I’m sticking with the Outlaws again in a tough one

Outlaws 28-14

Mustangs vs Sharks

The Mustangs are on a high after their monumental and well deserved victory against the Pirates. The Sharks are learning what it takes to be competitive in this league (a healthy roster). The Mustangs will have pretty much the same game plan and run the ball and look for those play actions and throw the ball deep.

The Sharks will just have to muscle up the remaining troops they have and go for it. (What game plan can you set with limited numbers). They have the right Head coach who can work with this. I still believe in this Sharks team and they may be able to pull off an upset but I don’t think it will be this week. Considering their ever dwindling roster.

Mustangs 35-7

Seahawks vs Predators

The young Seahawks have hit somewhat of a downward slide in the last few weeks losing both previous games to potential playoff contenders. They will have a tricky game on their hands against a fired up Predators team. This game has all to play for, for that coveted 5^th spot. If The Preds win they are outright 5^th.

I see this game again being matched in the trenches and whoever dominates the line either side of the ball will be victorious. The Seahawks ground game was not effective against the Lions and according to them they had a few starters out.

We will see what they do this week most likely some air raids to test the Preds Secondary.

The Predators will need to play across the four quarters with discipline and execution. If they can stop the Seahawks ground game I would favour them.

Unfortunately based on individual matchup’s and a fairly strong Seahawks O-line I tip the Seahawks in a close one.

Seahawks 40-28

I'm sorry i will not be there to witness some great competiton, but make sure you play hard, fair and fast and I will be speaking to my insiders during the week to see how everyody went and is holding up.

At least ill be sipping away on some cocktails on the Gold Coast to compensate. Ok almost time to head to the airport

Smile

By Panda - 21/10/2011 9:10:03 PM

Looking at the games for the coming week I think -

Lions vs UTS

The Lions will continue on their winning ways and (sorry to say this Invictus) the gap seems to be getting bigger between Sydney Uni and the UTS. I think the UTS have some injury woes and that is probably the main reason why they have struggled in recent weeks so it's not a great time to be facing the beast that is the Lions. I see the Lions winning fairly comfortably here.

Lions 42 - UTS 6

Outlaws vs Pirates

This maybe a local derby but it's a matchup between two teams with differing momentum. The Outlaws are on the upswing and the Pirates and definitely heading downhill. This will be a tough battle but I suspect that the same injury bug that has afflicted the UTS has also paid a visit to the Pirates and I can't see them getting close. The winner cements their spot in the Top 3 so there is plenty to play for.

Outlaws 35 - Pirates 12

Mustangs vs Sharks

The Mustangs will still be feeling pretty good after last week (and deservedly so) but they will have to be careful that they don't suffer a let down against another injury ravaged team in the Sharks. I think the Mustangs will win handlily and record 3 consecutive victories for the first time in number of years. Sadly (for the number of Mustangs faithful) this will be where it ends as they won't taste victory again this season. Two games against the Outlaws and one against the UTS will see them finish on 3-7 and they will miss a Playoff spot. But for now a win against the Sharks is important.

Mustangs 30 - Sharks 6

Seahawks vs Predators

Two teams searching for a win so it will be a good battle. Both teams have their good points and if they are fit enough this should be an entertaining game. The Seahawks copped a beating from the Lions last week (but so has everyone else) so they will be looking to get back on track against a fairly handy Predators team. Both should realistically be Playoff bound so this might start the momentum.

Seahawks 21 - Predators 16

By Monkeyboy - 21/10/2011 10:27:04 PM

Panda, I know it's still early, but do you think if UTS and the Pirates lose, that is their season over? UTS have a harder run home than what the Pirate do. The Pirates will be relishing the 2 bye weeks and the bottom 2 placed teams. UTS will face an on fire Outlaws and Mustangs. I would not want to write off either team though. As you stated, both teams have major injury concerns.

By Panda - 22/10/2011 12:09:50 AM

Monkeyboy (21/10/2011)

Certainly not, their seasons wouldn't over at all but it would be difficult to be a threat in the Playoffs with a lot of injuries (and before anyone states the obvious I know that ALL teams have injury concerns.)

As you say, the Pirates seem to have an easier run in to the Playoffs but having too many Byes might be an issue as well. The UTS will have the benefit of more games with a tough one against the Outlaws, but they do have a Bye in the final round to rest up and heal.

If I was a betting man I would say that the final standings wouldbe something like -

1. Lions

2. Outlaws

3. Pirates

4. UTS

5. Seahawks

6. Predators

With those teams to go into the Playoffs, then -

7. Mustangs

8. Raiders

9. Sharks

Based on current form I think the Lions would play the Outlaws in the Championship Game.

By Boom Boom Pow - 22/10/2011 12:37:59 AM

Panda - if I was a betting man:

1. Lions (10-0)

2. Pirates (7-3) *

3. Outlaws (7-3) **

4. UTS (7-3) ***

5. Seahawks (5-5)

6. Predators (3-7) ****

7. Mustangs (3-7)

8. Raiders (2-8)

9. Sharks (0-10)

* Pirates to be second with head to head advantage over Outlaws and UTS

** Outlaws to be third as they lose the head to head to Pirates but have tied head to head with UTS - points differential will give them the higher position

***UTS lose head to head with Pirates - tie head to head with Outlaws - points differential costs them the higher position.

****Predators have head to head match up over Mustangs due to their Round 1 win (26-6)

I know we should be developing the sport, but is it really worthwhile having a 6 team finals series?

Particularly in the case of the Preds who could finish on the above win loss, does any team with such a losing record deserve to be rewarded with a finals position? The top 5 teams have consistantly been the top 5 teams for the last four years with a 4 team finals series. So is the plan to hopefully add another team (like the Preds) to that mix for next season to help grow the competitiveness of the league through exposure to finals?

By Panda - 22/10/2011 2:01:39 AM

Um Boom Boom Pow I'm confused. (and it wouldn't be the first time w00t

)

You have the Pirates finishing second with a 7-3 record, but head-to-head better than the Outlaws. So by that I take it you think that the Pirates will beat the Outlaws? If so, and the Pirates are currently 5-2, where will the third loss come from? With respect I really can't see the Sharks or Raiders beating them.

I see what you're saying with the Outlaws. They are currently 5-1 and if they lose to the Pirates and their second game with the UTS then they will be 7-3, tied with the UTS, and maybe finish third depending on points differential. Of course we are assuming that they will beat the Mustangs twice and I must say (with respect) that I think that will be the case.

And before anyone asks -

Dubai

By Coach's Favourite - 23/10/2011 4:38:03 AM

Lions 72 - UTS 14

By Thomas in London - 23/10/2011 7:03:05 AM

Coach's Favourite (22/10/2011)

Lions 72 - UTS 14

They are going to send me to an early grave..... Should stay in Rugby.....

Crying

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 23/10/2011 7:18:29 AM

a very messy win for the outlaws in our first inaugral boob bowl for breast cancer awareness 2 day vs a very strong pirates outfit ... score 13-12 .... well done to our boys way to grind out the win .. n wow pirates hardest game i have played in a long while (shannon 90 u r a beast) .... n it was great to see every1 from both teams in there pink gloves n socks for awareness of such a good cause ... hope the whole league will be involved next year n we can keep raising $$$ ....

By Dapto 58 - 23/10/2011 8:50:47 AM

Mustangs 52-Sharks 6 it was a strong game on the lines with both teams O and D lines looking like theyd battled through the trenches, was a great win to help the Stangs on their role

By tmpb - 23/10/2011 5:37:21 PM

shit!

whats happened to UTS? any championship window they had looks as though it has now firmly shut.

By Coach's Favourite - 23/10/2011 8:04:41 PM

Thomas in London (22/10/2011)

Coach's Favourite (22/10/2011)

Lions 72 - UTS 14

They are going to send me to an early grave..... Should stay in Rugby.....

Crying

From memory......you owe Biscuit another pint Tongue

By Predwr - 23/10/2011 10:48:15 PM

Looked through and I don't think anyone has posted the Preds v Seahawks score...

0 - 0

Seriously, was a cracker of a game, don't know who deserved the win more. Score reflects the defensive efforts of both teams

By Steamin Louey B - 24/10/2011 12:06:16 AM

This is the first time, in my 13 years in the league, that I have ever seen a 0-0 draw.

I remember beating the Astro's 2-0 quite a few years ago but that was the lowest score I'd seen before that.

By P80 - 24/10/2011 3:04:04 AM

Steamin Louey B (23/10/2011)

This is the first time, in my 13 years in the league, that I have ever seen a 0-0 draw.

I remember beating the Astro's 2-0 quite a few years ago but that was the lowest score I'd seen before that.

I have been playing for 6 years, and watching both college and NFL for the same amount of time and cant recall any 0-0's either....Closest i can recall in that timeframe is Pittsburgh beating Miami 3-0 in torrential rain some years back...But we played in a cool spring night, with no rain and a decent field.

Louey, was you game played in the rain? Or was it good D all round?

One of the best games i have been a part of though... Well done Seahawks

By Thomas in London - 24/10/2011 3:51:18 AM

Coach's Favourite (23/10/2011)

Thomas in London (22/10/2011)

Coach's Favourite (22/10/2011)

Lions 72 - UTS 14

They are going to send me to an early grave..... Should stay in Rugby.....

Crying

From memory......you owe Biscuit another pint Tongue

By Luxford - 24/10/2011 4:34:20 AM

Very curious as to what happened to UTS vs the Lions. UTS are not that bad..... were you guys missing players? Or did yopu just have a bad day combined with the Lions having a good day?

By Coach's Favourite - 24/10/2011 7:08:34 AM

Couldn't it be a good day against a better day?

By Invictus - 24/10/2011 6:51:07 PM

I think the expression is that the wheels came off the party bus...... Not a case of a good day against a better day, but a massive suckfest of a day for UTS versus an average day for SU - they probably left some points out of the field as well. I'm sure they'd have loved nothing better than to hit the century against us.

Plethora of reasons, but ultimately pretty much our own fault - if those evil swine get on top they're hard to dislodge. Still some of the UTS guys should be proud of the effort they put in on a losing cause.

Don't write UTS off for the play-offs; things will have to pick up and they will.

By Gaff - 24/10/2011 9:34:10 PM

And Rocco will be back at the Helm as of tomorrow nights training session....so anyone that takes them Lightly with him back on board does so at their own peril!

By Coach19 - 24/10/2011 10:50:31 PM

Hats off to the Lions players on the weekend. It was the best team performance of the year so far for us on both sides of the ball. Great effort.

By 91 - 24/10/2011 11:42:57 PM

Man. Did the Stangs come to play. They looked good out there.

I mean we struggled (ie having our FB learn QB on warm ups doesn't hel )

But we hung in there. And played a reasonable 2nd half.

Ps. On a personal not. I had my first couple of carries and my first couple of catches. Only to be tackled short

By about 2 yards on a run play which would have netted me my first TD in div 1.

By Coach T - 25/10/2011 12:17:04 AM

Steamin Louey B (23/10/2011)

This is the first time, in my 13 years in the league, that I have ever seen a 0-0 draw.

I remember beating the Astro's 2-0 quite a few years ago but that was the lowest score I'd seen before that.

September 10, 1994

West Sydney Pirates - 0 vs. Wollongong College Mustangs - 0

Played at Berkeley Sports Club (Kicked off at 7.00pm for those who have long memories)

By Panda - 25/10/2011 6:17:16 AM

WTF?

There were certainly some strange scores from the last week of games and while I tipped the winners (apart from the Seahawks - Predators game) don't even talk to me about the scores.

The Outlaws have virtually sealed 2nd place on the table after beating the Pirates so well done to them.

The Pirates have virtually sealed a Playoff spot, most likely 3rd.

The rest are still kind of up for grabs - although I think the UTS will bounce back from last weekend against the Lions.

So some key games then -

Can the Mustangs win one of their games against the Outlaws and wrap up a Playoff spot? And if so they will likely finish 6th and face the Pirates in the first round of the Playoffs. Tasty!!

The Seahawks will beat the Raiders but can they beat the Predators next time in what will be virtually an elimination game ('cause they won't beat the Lions in the last round)

The draw against the Seahawks may actually work in the Predators favour by giving them a half-game advantage, but they can put that to bed if they beat the UTS ('cause they won't beat the Lions) or get up over the Seahawks.

What a competition eh? Still lots of fun to be had.

But the Lions will still take the trophy (sorry everyone else)

By Jammin - 25/10/2011 9:29:03 PM

Wow what a weekend of action I missed. Well done to the victorious teams. I don't think in all my years of football have I ever heard of 0-0 scoreline.

So how do things shape up now for the rest of the season? A breakdown of playoff potential teams imo of course BigGrin

Lions

Nothing phases the boys from camperdown. They continue to impress and take down all opponents. Their offense led by All Star Kiernan Dorney continue to pile on the points and their Offenisve line continue to dominate. Expect much more of this, all the way to the waratah bowl.

Their Defense although not large in comparison compensate with pure speed and instinct. They have a strong 7-8 man front who display good techinque and instinct. Their Linebackers and DB's really shut down any type of pass plays and put constant pressure on opposing QB's with their blitzing. Smile

Outlaws

The surprise package of the competition. One of the largest teams in the league who have a good blend of size and speed across their roster. Their Offensive Line will be pivotal to their success down the stretch. If they can protect their QB and open the lanes for All Star Stuart Etcell and continue to let the QB throw the ball downfield to their quick and athletic receivers, they will continue to be a force.

The Defence on the other hand is one to be fearful of and are one of the best units in the league. Constantly in your face and just want to hurt anybody with the ball. Very strong run stopping defence with mutliple blitz packages. Their Secondary have found their groove and also love to tackle at any given opportunity at the line of scrimmage.

Pirates

Have dropped the last three matches. They will need to find form quickly but have enough talent to turn it around. I hear they may have a few injury concerns to key players so that will be instrumental in how they change their game plan. Their moslty experienced Offensive line will need to carry the load for this young backfield to penetrate.

The Defence still has a lot of talent. Very similar style of play to their western neigbours. They also have a blend of size and speed led by DE sannon Taylor and need to focus across four quarters of football to be successful. They still have the large roster, experienced coaching staff so I would not write them off yet.

UTS

Another surprise team on the slide. They really need to have good hard look at themselves if they want to compete. They still posess plenty of talent as well and have an experienced coaching staff. i expect things to change dramatically for this team.

The Offence still has plenty of weapons with RB/QB Jean Prill as well as their very agile wide Receivers. They just need to combine all of this together in the same game. The Offenisve line need to improve for the backfield to flourish. I still believe they have plenty of points left in the tank though.

The Defence looks somewhat inexperienced and young but look committed to improving. They did lose some key players early and will need to step up to fill the void. I still notice they have some speed, particualry in their Secondary and they are also a team who like to swarm to the ball.

Predators

A team who has found some form late in the season picking up some key victories along the way. Their Offense is lead by their very agile QB who likes to scramble once in trouble and make those yards down the sideline. They have RB's who like to run the ball up the middle. What they are missing is scoring the points and putting teams to bed

Their Defence has been playing to a high standard almost on par with the other big 4 teams and have helped the Offence stay in games. Their D-line
has been instrumental in leading the way.

Mustangs

Have taken some scalps and racked up the W's. A very committed tem who seem to know their role and each others. They have a never say die attitude and will play to the end.

Their Offence have some talented WR's and a QB who can throw long. They are not afraid to run the ball either and have shown that they have a few plays up their sleeves. Again the offensive line will be pivotal down the stretch and the health of the roster will make the difference.

The Defence has been playing big all season. Their D-line has been playing solidly as well as the DB's shutting down any deep threats. I see this team pulling out another win against one of the higher placed teams.

Seahawks

Are finding themselves in unfamiliar terriortory down the bottom half of the ladder. They have shown that they can run the ball with their Big RB Mike Hall. This has forced teams to crowd the box.

I'm not to sure what has happened as of late with this young side but their destiny is in their own hands. They have two tough games left against the Predators and Lions which will dictate if they are playoff bound or not.

This team has a very large and experienced O-line and very quick receivers and i'm surprised they are not geting the results. The Defence has kept them in games with their speed and aggression.

So theres some mindless and unsubstantiated reading for all you pundits. Again i will be missing this weeks round flying back to sunny GC trying to drown my sorrws sipping on some cocktails (just add plenty of bundy...mmm) Cool

By What? - 25/10/2011 11:12:31 PM

I have heard on the grapvine that a ref at the Outlaws V Pirates game started a fight with a Pirates player! If this is true it is disgraceful behaviour. No matter what a player says or does it is on the ref to walk away and leave be.

Not only did it cost the Pirates a player for the rest of the game, the Outlaws were also forced to intervene to protect the silly person. This would have disrupted both teams, in what was a crucial match. Not mention both sides could have lost players for the season to either injury or suspension all because one hothead could not keep a lid on his emotions.

While I do not know this person, I feel some sort of suspension is in order to discourage this type of behaviour. All refs whether full time or player officals and representative's of the league a authority. He should have known better.

By thumbwar - 25/10/2011 11:48:57 PM

What? (25/10/2011)

Are you taking the piss?! 'this is disgraceful behaviour'? 'Cost the Pirates player the rest of the game'? WTF!!!

You make it sound like it was all the ref!

How about the fact the Pirates player(s) instigated the attack and abused the shit out of him, how about the Pirates player(s) coming onto the field to confront the ref?

There is no place for abuse of refs in the game and this was a long time coming.

Pull your head in you imbecile.

By Monkeyboy - 26/10/2011 12:21:59 AM

What? (25/10/2011)

What?, what are we going to do with you?

"I have heard on the grapevine". Don't ever believe what you hear. You were not there so do not talk.

"No matter what a player says or does it is on the ref to walk away and leave be". So a player can abuse a ref as much as he likes and get away with it?

"Not only did it cost the Pirates a player for the rest of the game". Was he ejected? Maybe he deserved to be.

" I feel some sort of suspension is in order to discourage this type of behaviour". No mention of the player to be suspended. Does he deserve to be suspended?

I would hazzard a guess and say you are a Pirates player. We are free to keep our identity anonymous as I also choose. No problem with that. But you do need to be objective.

Thumbwar gives a different account. I was not there but I'm sure we will hear more of it in the future.

What part of the game did it happen in? Who had the ball? What instigated it? Was it a foul play or maybe a mssed call or even a judgement call?

By What? - 26/10/2011 12:36:59 AM

I have no connection to either team and the spectator who informed me also had no connection.

I beleive it happened in the last two minutes and the Pirates player was claiming a PI call. I was told that the player was aggresive towards the ref, and I agree that this is not the right behaviour. However I do not think a Ref should not respond in that fashion. I was told it was only one player that abused the ref, as to the claim that the rest came onto the field to confront the ref I had not heard that part.

By Monkeyboy - 26/10/2011 12:47:54 AM

It is up to the player and captains to calm it down. Not the Ref. There were 2 senior officials at the game. These I can safely say are much better than the others. Unfortunate incident that will definitely come to life once the 2 teams meet again.

By Gaff - 26/10/2011 2:50:33 AM

i will make no comment on the rightness or wrongness of any of the actions...its not my place

Situationally though:

Pirates had the ball and were trailing by 1 point with approx under a minute of game time left and were coming out of their own redzone to try to score

Pirates last chance at a 1st down. I think it was 4th down and long
QB rolls left and throws deep to the middle
Pirates right side receiver was double covered and ran into the back of the FS as they both were making a play on the pass
Pirates player (and the safety) fell over.
No flag was thrown

I have video of the play if there is any conjecture as to whether the play deserved a PI flag. In my opinon it didnt. I dont have video of the other incidents after the play

By bobcat - 26/10/2011 4:12:03 AM

I was at the game and the collision was well before the ball was anywhere near the two players. Looked to me like the Outlaws safety positioned himself to be in the way of the WR as the CB was beat. Whether the ball was catchable or not was hard to tell.

I don't think the incident that took place after this had anything to do with the Outlaws but was to do with the official and the Pirates. Was hard to tell what happened from where I stood.

By Gaff - 26/10/2011 5:44:51 AM

this was the play...you can judge for yourself if you think it was PI or not.
My opinion is that it wasnt

http://vimeo.com/31073848

By Love To Run - 26/10/2011 6:13:27 AM

Well from looking at that clip I say NO PI.....My god Gaff I am agreeing with you....lol

By Gaff - 26/10/2011 8:34:29 AM

my goodness... queue the horsemen of the apocalypse!

By Thomas in London - 26/10/2011 9:21:24 AM

I have looked at it in slow motion, did he actually tripped himself, or try to force a penalty??? I have to agree doesn't seem to be a flag from that angle

By Predwr - 26/10/2011 6:21:39 PM

What? (25/10/2011)

Just to reinforce Thumbwar and monkey on this one, you are an idiot!

On a more football related note:

Wow! What a season this is shaping up to be! I did not expect to see Gaff and his Outlaws up there in second place above UTS and the Pirates. Seahawks look like they could miss out. Furthermore, if Preds and the Stangs both play their hearts out they could BOTH make the playoffs! Only my third year in the league but this is definitely the most exciting season yet for me!

By Outlaw54 - 26/10/2011 7:18:16 PM

Monkeyboy (25/10/2011)

What? (25/10/2011)

Guy's,

In regards to your comments made, although what happened between a player and official were unfortunate it did not take away from the tough game both teams played. At no point did either the Outlaws or Pirates get heated or bait each other or look for a fight.

The game was played hard and fair on both sides of the ball. Coach Taylor from the Pirates after the game felt the need to address our team huddle regarding the incident involving his team and the official and also offered his apologies (Much respect to him for doing that when he didn't have too). Each time we play each other it's always a battle until the final whistle.

I choose to not talk about what may or may not have happened as it takes the shine away from this game. It was of significance to both teams as it was to raise funds for Breast Cancer awareness which has affected both our clubs.

Over $1000 was raised and both teams and some spectatores wore pink socks, gloves, shirts etc as a sign of respect.

After the game, which went down to the final play, I give full credit to all the Pirates players and coaching staff who put their frustrations aside and honoured both clubs committments in taking a group photo together for this cause.

Unfortunately forums are like the newspapers. Negative press generates more interest than positve.

I know when we meet again the game will be played at the same high standard as this one and everything else will be left in the past or forgotten.

By tenacious_d - 26/10/2011 7:38:32 PM

To steer away from the negatives highlighted about the Outlaws vs Pirates game, the organisers of the inaugural 'Boob Bowl' need to be applauded for their efforts, as do the teams involved.

By PPM - 26/10/2011 8:55:41 PM

tenacious_d (26/10/2011)

To steer away from the negatives highlighted about the Outlaws vs Pirates game, the organisers of the inaugural 'Boob Bowl' need to be applauded for their efforts, as do the teams involved.

In the voice of the Hulk: "Huss like boob".

Great idea guys and congrats on raising money for a good cause. Maybe we can have a "Blue Ball Bowl" for Prostrate cancer?

By tenacious_d - 26/10/2011 9:09:42 PM

It's all fun and games until someone makes a joke about cancer. Shame on you!

In saying that, I like the ring of Blue Ball Bowl.

By What? - 26/10/2011 9:27:54 PM

All who planned the "Boob Bowl' should be congradulated for the effort and money raised.

By Predwr - 26/10/2011 11:53:48 PM

PPM (26/10/2011)

tenacious_d (26/10/2011)

To steer away from the negatives highlighted about the Outlaws vs Pirates game, the organisers of the inaugural 'Boob Bowl' need to be applauded for their efforts, as do the teams involved.

In the voice of the Hulk: "Huss like boob".

Great idea guys and congrats on raising money for a good cause. Maybe we can have a "Blue Ball Bowl" for Prostrate cancer?

Maybe we could call it the Moe Bowl. All players must play with moe's for the whole month of Movember!

By Panda - 27/10/2011 7:23:47 PM

Amidst all the talk about the blow up at the end of the Outlaws-Pirates game (let the officials and the League deal with that) and the promotion of Breast Cancer Awarenensss (congratulations to all involved for getting behind such a cause) we may have missed some important points from the last week of games, namely -

The UTS obviously have some injury concerns. No team can go from being so good to being so spanked in a matter of weeks. I understand they were missing their Head Coach and he has now returned, so if they get some of their strike players healthy they can rescue their season.

The Lions seem to be going from strength to strength and although that's an obvious statement it doesn't bode well for the rest of the League.

The Outlaws are really on a roll and seem able to overcome a number of obstacles including fighting their way back from a deficit. They are the ones to watch.

The Pirates have also had their injury woes but did we miss the fact that they led a dominant Outlaws team by 12 points going into the 4th Quarter of their game. The Bye may have come at the right time and if they get healthy they could prove troublesome in the weeks ahead.

The Mustangs are really hitting their straps and if the Draw was a little different they would be certainties to make the Playoffs. I think they have a hard road ahead of them but an upset or two is well within their grasp.

The Seahawks seem to have stumbled a little and would be kicking themselves about the tie against the Predators. They have a must-win game against the Raiders then a Bye so that may be a good thing for them.

The Predators really seem to have stepped up on Defense and they can't be counted out either. They seem capable of stringing some good things together and may have a few surprises left in them before the season ends.

Sadly it's not the year for the Sharks and the Raiders. Injuries and a lack of numbers have probalby hurt both teams, but they always play hard in every game and should be congratulated for hanging tough each week.

Sometimes we seem to get down on the League and what's happening but when it's out into perspective there are some good things happening in NSW.

By TacoBell - 27/10/2011 9:35:59 PM

What? (26/10/2011)

All who planned the "Boob Bowl' should be congradulated for the effort and money raised.

Looking at some of the pirates and outlaws, its really more of a 'man-boob' bowl

By Monkeyboy - 27/10/2011 9:40:59 PM

TacoBell (27/10/2011)

What? (26/10/2011)

All who planned the "Boob Bowl' should be congradulated for the effort and money raised.

Looking at some of the pirates and outlaws, its really more of a 'man-boob' bowl

Taco, you're gonna get your bells kicked if they ever get hold of you .

By Lions53 - 27/10/2011 9:48:54 PM

Panda (27/10/2011)

...The Lions seem to be going from strength to strength and although that's an obvious statement it doesn't bode well for the rest of the League...

I would argue that this is challenging the rest of the league to play at a higher standard, the results of which can be seen in the nationals and in the general competitivness of this year's GNSW comp. The GNSW comp has been this close for 2nd through to 6th a number years

By Panda - 28/10/2011 7:40:09 PM

Week 9 already! How times flies when you're having fun! Here's my thoughts -

UTS vs Predators - This is a crunch game for both teams. The UTS trying to rebound from last week and the Predators looking to claw their way into the Playoffs. With the return of the Head Coach I slightly favour the UTS but you can't discount the Predators. The UTS in a tight one for me. UTS 21 - Predators 18

Raiders vs Seahawks - This will be another tough game and a season-defining one for the Seahawks. Can they back on track or will this finish them for 2011? I favour the Seahawks but only because they have a little more to play for. Seahawks 18 - Raiders 6

Lions vs Sharks - No disrespect intended but this is more than David and Goliath. A big shout to the Sharks for battling their way all year.

Outlaws vs Mustangs - Now we get to see if the Mustangs are for real. By their own Admission the Outlaws were a little off their game last week and I don't expect a repeat dose. I think the Outlaws will be too big and too strong for the plucky Mustangs who will (sadly) start to see their Playoff hopes slip away (but I'm happy to be proven wrong!) Outlaws 42 - Mustangs 12

By P80 - 28/10/2011 10:09:17 PM

Panda (28/10/2011)

Week 9 already! How times flies when you're having fun! Here's my thoughts -

UTS vs Predators - This is a crunch game for both teams. The UTS trying to rebound from last week and the Predators looking to claw their way into the Playoffs. With the return of the Head Coach I slightly favour the UTS but you can't discount the Predators. The UTS in a tight one for me. UTS 21 - Predators 18

Raiders vs Seahawks - This will be another tough game and a season-defining one for the Seahawks. Can they back on track or will this finish them for 2011? I favour the Seahawks but only because they have a little more to play for. Seahawks 18 - Raiders 6

Lions vs Sharks - No disrespect intended but this is more than David and Goliath. A big shout to the Sharks for battling their way all year.

Outlaws vs Mustangs - Now we get to see if the Mustangs are for real. By their own Admission the Outlaws were a little off their game last week and I don't expect a repeat dose. I think the Outlaws will be too big and too strong for the plucky Mustangs who will (sadly) start to see their Playoff hopes slip away (but I'm happy to be proven wrong!) Outlaws 42 - Mustangs 12

In regards to the Lions v Sharks game, I looked at the schedule following their big loss to the Mustangs and cringed. Clearly whenever you pit the minnows against the champions it has the potential to be a decemating game, but given the number of injuries + the location of the game... this could get really ugly.

Sharks have one of the biggest hearts in the league and I have no doubt they will field a team and fight to the end.

Good luck Sharks!

By Big Red - 29/10/2011 12:07:18 PM

Outlaws vs Stangs
My heart says Stangs but my head says Gaff*'s boys, One can never discount momentum but I don't know if Wollongong's heart can cause another upset.

Really wish I could be there for this one and I'm not just saying that because of this Northern heat. Wink

*lol, Coach of the Year.

By Jammin - 29/10/2011 5:31:39 PM

Since rain is predicted back home i'm glad i'm up north.

A quick round up of game predictions, then i continue doing work by the pool. Smile

UTS vs Predators

UTS have dropped a couple to better teams but i do not see this happening again this week. Coach Bosco is back and they will be fired up ready to play tough football.

The Preds have everything to play for and from all accounts were unlucky last week. Their Defence has been their anchor, unfortunately its the Offence that need to score points to win.

I expect plenty of air raids and UTS will win comfortably

UTS 35-7

Raiders vs Seahawks

The Seahawks must win game to keep them in the playoff picture. After their tough loss back in round 5( i think) they have been on a downward spiral. Blame inexperience, work committments, injuries and that has all affected the Seahawks.

The Raiders season is all over and they will be playing for pride. I expect Coach Manera to mix up the play calls and see what happens. This will be a ground and pound game early followed by those air attacks.

The Seahawks will be back on the winners podium today.

Seahawks 42-0

Lions vs Sharks

This game will be a test of character for the Sharks. Everything is against them and they will be lucky to have healthy players.

The Lions will continue fine tuning their playbook preparing for the playoffs and will most likely rest a lot of players later in the game to preserve them.

The Lions will do one thing=RUN!.The Sharks will play hard and most importantly, just have fun. Will that be enough to pull off the biggest upset in GNSW history? I think not.

Lions 60+ - 0

Outlaws vs Mustangs

From all accounts the Outlaws played below standard against the Pirates and yet sealed the victory in the final quarter against a finals contender. That shows the mountain boys play until the final whistle.

The Mustangs are on a high with two important victories and looking playoff bound. They have showed that they can throw the ball downfield and catch.

This will be a run game vs pass. Unfortunately the buck stops here for the Mustangs as they will be playing a very fired up Outlaws team at their home ground.

Outlaws 35-12

Ok, duties fulfilled with my useless rambling. I will continue enjoying myself too by the pool. Smile

By Falcon - 30/10/2011 4:16:25 AM

Predators upset UTS 41-25

By Falcon - 30/10/2011 4:28:50 AM

Lions 64 - Sharks 0

By Big Red - 30/10/2011 9:40:01 AM

Outlaws 16-14 over the Mustangs.

Good hard close game from my sources.

By tenacious_d - 30/10/2011 7:43:08 PM

Big ups to the Predators offense for a big day at the office. Kept the ball moving and managed to snuff out the UTS defence each time they started to get some momentum. UTS kept coming all day, even with a reportedly big injury toll.

Also, in a time where it is easier to critique refereeing than applaud it, kudos are in order for the refereeing crew of the Predators vs UTS game. Pete Upham should be proud of his team's performance, a very well and very evenly refereed game.

By Love To Run - 30/10/2011 10:47:47 PM

Just want to Echo Tenacious d comments re the officiating. With out doubt the best officiating we have seen all year. The game was played in good spirits and the refs where hardly noticed. Their calls where concise and displaying what Paul Mercer (The best official in OZ as far as I am concerned) calls a good "selling of the call" whether we felt it right or wrong they where decisive, explained the call and penalty and instilled confidence that they where right in their call. To John Boss the white hat, Greg Evers the Umpire, Peter Upham the Line Judge, Scott Lawrence and I am not sure who the back judge was a job well done and if all player officials did a job hallf as good as these guys we would see the end to bitching about poor umpiring decisions as they would be few and far between. Well Done Guys

By Hawkpeter - 31/10/2011 4:24:23 PM

Well, its better than being bollocked for a crappy performance. I would hope that an officiating crew gives that impression every game. There was only one or two unusual calls, like the fumble recovered in the endzone by an offensive team mate; not a particularly hard game to officiate.

Only thing I would point out is that we actually had a new official in training at that game (his 2nd week and 3rd game). No background in the game, no club affiliation, just likes the game and wants to get involved and he has chosen to get involved this way.

By P80 - 31/10/2011 6:34:42 PM

There is something i have noticed in the league, and im not sure if its a coincidence or something more...

Its been more prevelant in the last 4 weeks, but has stood out almost all year.

Looking at the last 4 weeks

Sydney Uni Beat Preds... Preds almost lose to the sharks

Sydney Uni Beat Pirates... Pirates lose to Mustangs

Sydney Uni Beat Seahawks... Seahawks fail to put up any points the next week

Sydney Uni Beat UTS... UTS lose to Predators

Has anyone else noticed this?

By Outlaw99 - 31/10/2011 6:44:08 PM

What about Sydney Uni beat Outlaws - Outlaws go on a 7 game winning streak? Smile

By Panda - 31/10/2011 6:59:58 PM

P80 (31/10/2011)

I had noticed this but as Outlaw 99 says they are bucking the trend by going on a winning spree of their own so good luck to them.

There will be some interesting games this week and already I guess all eyes will be on the Outlaws - UTS rematch as it could well determine the top 4 placings. The Outlaws are solid at #2 and can't be dislodged but the UTS could slip I think if they lose and other results go against them.

While the games leading into the Playoffs are still full of mystery and intrigue, forgive me for saying that I think a Lions vs. Outlaws Waratah Bowl is a foregone conclusion.

By Jammin - 31/10/2011 7:42:30 PM

Greetings folks, BigGrin

Boy what a week of football just had and i missed it. well at least the mini bar and bar tab ran quite high courtesy of the boss Smile

. I'll start by saying that the Predators made me eat some humble pie. This has got to be the most open race this competition has seen in a while.

From my sources I hear that the Outlaws vs Mustangs went down to the final whistle and there were plenty of hits on show and injuries? I wish i could have watched this game.

The Predators Defence once again shutting down the UTS offence? and pulling off thier first win against them in their club history?

This competiton is by far the premier league in Australia. It would be good to have some form of club competiton to showcase talent at club level. I would love to see Sydney Uni or Penrith Outlaws or West Sydney Pirates etc take on Monash, Bay City, Gold Coast or University of Canberra in an elimination cup etc. I know thats wishful thinking but hey, i'm a positive type o'guy Wink

Well what can i say now with the remaining rounds of the GNSW comp? A quick synopsis if i may of the top 4 teams

Sydney University Lions

Look unstoppable and unbeatable. They have a balanced team across the roster who play hard and know their assignments. I personally do not like the arrogance shown by some of their players, but hey 8 championships will do that to you. This is a solid football team who work hard for their results and play all four quarters.

Their strength is the Offensive Line. they create the lanes and also protect the QB long enough to make good decisions, follow that with crafty Receivers who rarely drop passes. Their strength on the Defence is the Defensive Line and Linebackers who are always around the ball and a Secondary who seem to find themselves in positions for those picks.

Penrith City Outlaws

After dropping the first game badly they have not looked back and have gone from strength to strength. They now have an experienced coaching staff and a large roster. Their close results show that they play until the final whistle and never quit. They are not a pretty side to watch with spreads, shoutgun formations etc but look more like a power running team from the old days.

Their strength is their very physical and tough Defence who really choke away the opposition and make them work hard for every down. Their Defensive line and Linebackers have been able to stop most run heavy teams as well as their speedy Secondary.

On Offense they are strongest at the RB position and have very agile WR's who can catch. The QB is a good scrambler and finding his feet. The Offensive line can play, and just need to show consistency.

West Sydney Pirates

Although they lost against the two higher ranking teams and can consider themselves unlucky they are still another good football team with an experienced coaching staff. Depth on their roster will determine their success due to injuries.

They have an experienced Offensive line who are aggressive off the ball and RB's who like to run into the belly of opposing defences. They are strong on Defence with their D-line and Linebackers.

Northwestern Predators

Nobody would have predicted their 4th place on the table. This is a team who on their day can match the others. Their strength is the Defence who have kept them in games. They have a tough Defensive Line who work hard and the have DB's who can shut down oppsing WR's with their speed.

The Offence have a good QB who is calm under pressure and is a good scrambler once in trouble. Their WR's like those deep routes and RB's also like to punch the ball up the middle

Thats my take on what i have seen this season.

The Remainiung teams fighting for spots:

UTS

Injuries and playing below their standard have cost them. They have looked tired and unfit

Seahawks

Seem to have different teams with different strengths play each week. They have lacked consistesncy and executinon when its counted.

Mustangs

Vast improvement and play hard. Conistency across 4 quarters has been an issue.

I'm looking forward to the final weeks of the competition and the final playoff spots will be determined. I still see Sydney Uni being the Kingpins and everybody else chasing them.

Football is a funny game, on any given game day the Underdog can succeed. BigGrin

By 91 - 31/10/2011 10:47:37 PM

Going up against a team like Sydny UNI is well daunting.

They boast the best team and the country and some of the best players in the country.

But to call there players arrogant. That's just plain RUDE. They are all nice genuine guys who play this game the way it's Meant to be played. The trains and work hard and it shows.

We struggled out there on Saturday. Both with heat and numbers. (I think we got down to 14-15players) and guys were playing out of position (ie me at TE/OLB) but not ONCE did I sense any sense of arrogance at all.

They played there game and played well. Great work and thank you for a great game

Look forward to playing them next year.

By G-unit - 31/10/2011 11:07:10 PM

Matty Steel just posted this on the leagues FB page. For all those pattern guys out there it is interesting to see the results laid out

By Predwr - 1/11/2011 1:51:28 AM

91 (31/10/2011)

Going up against a team like Sydny UNI is well daunting.

They boast the best team and the country and some of the best players in the country.

But to call there players arrogant. That's just plain RUDE. They are all nice genuine guys who play this game the way it's Meant to be played. The trains and work hard and it shows.

They played there game and played well. Great work and thank you for a great game

Look forward to playing them next year.

I actually enjoy playing against SYDU cause they do seem to be good bunch of guys from what I can tell, even if most of their D has put me on my ass at one point of another. Not sure what Jammin was referring to but possibly some of the comments on here?

By Jammin - 1/11/2011 7:33:59 AM

91 (31/10/2011)

Going up against a team like Sydny UNI is well daunting.

They boast the best team and the country and some of the best players in the country.

But to call there players arrogant. That's just plain RUDE. They are all nice genuine guys who play this game the way it's Meant to be played. The trains and work hard and it shows.

They played there game and played well. Great work and thank you for a great game

Look forward to playing them next year.

91,

To retort to my last comments made. I did mention some players are arrogant from the Lions. I agree wholeheartedly about everything else. I do not think i'm rude as i base my opinion on fact.

What I have seen was as a mere observer on the sidelines and hearing some of the attitude from these players (A select few) at the games i have attended. Silly comments disrespecting other teams they were playing at the time were made.

Now i'm not going on a tirade attacking them as a club because their results are all earnt and they work hard to be the best. You'll see from my posts of the level of respect i have for this club as well as its coaching staff. Unfortunately there are a few bad apples in every bunch.

I hope you now have a better understanding on where I was coming from. Having said that, I have always called it as i see it regarding all clubs.

By Homer - 1/11/2011 7:27:18 PM

Jammin (31/10/2011)

91 (31/10/2011)

Going up against a team like Sydny UNI is well daunting. They boast the best team and the country and some of the best players in the country. But to call there players arrogant. That's just plain RUDE. They are all nice genuine guys who play this game the way it's Meant to be played. The trains and work hard and it shows. We struggled out there on Saturday. Both with heat and numbers. (I think we got down to 14-15players) and guys were playing out of position (ie me at TE/OLB) but not ONCE did I sense any sense of arrogance at all. They played there game and played well. Great work and thank you for a great game Look forward to playing them next year.

91,

To retort to my last comments made. I did mention some players are arrogant from the Lions. I agree wholeheartedly about everything else. I do not think i'm rude as i base my opinion on fact.

What I have seen was as a mere observer on the sidelines and hearing some of the attitude from these players (A select few) at the games i have attended. Silly comments disrespecting other teams they were playing at the time were made.

Now i'm not going on a tirade attacking them as a club because their results are all earnt and they work hard to be the best. You'll see from my posts of the level of respect i have for this club as well as its coaching staff. Unfortunately there are a few bad apples in every bunch.

I hope you now have a better understanding on where I was coming from. Having said that, I have always called it as i see it regarding all clubs.

I'm happy to hop in on this topic. I agree with you Jammin, I think that Syd Uni is arrogant which can be seen through their posts on this forum. Particularly Lions53 and his constant taunting of UTS, and I have seen on field niggling like the tubby little left tackle that giggles at the D-line or the crazy right guard that always starts fights with the UTS D-line.

By tenacious_d - 1/11/2011 10:18:01 PM

Haha

By LionsLineman#60 - 1/11/2011 10:46:11 PM

Homer (1/11/2011)
I'm happy to hop in on this topic. I agree with you Jammin, I think that Syd Uni is arrogant which can be seen through their posts on this forum. Particularly Lions53 and his constant taunting of UTS, and I have seen on field niggling like the tubby little left tackle that giggles at the D-line or the crazy right guard that always starts fights with the UTS D-line.

That's an interesting assertion, Homer. I don't recall ever being in a fight with any player from UTS, or being flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct in any game against UTS or any other club. Perhaps you'd like to refresh my memory.

By Monkeyboy - 1/11/2011 11:57:57 PM

Now it's getting interesting.

I cannot stand the Lions. Hate them with a passion, as most do in this league. It is because they are successful at what they do. I can honestly say, now that a certain player is no longer playing, that they are a clean team throughout. They have never resorted to dirty tactics. That is because they have always been on top. What does shit me though, is that they pick up strong players that want to win a championship. A while back they got a DE from the Seahawks. This year they got a LB form UTS. It just makes teams weaker and the Lions even stronger.

As far as arrogance goes, there will always be players who do that. You will usually find it is the guys who are relatively new. Most are respectful.

By Homer - 2/11/2011 12:22:39 AM

LionsLineman#60 (1/11/2011)

I do seem to recall in incident with UTS, perhaps your mate Invictus might be able to spread some light?

By Monkeyboy - 2/11/2011 1:10:47 AM

He doesn't spread light when He walks past you, more causes an eclipse He is so big. But He may be able to shed some light.

By Dexter - 2/11/2011 2:58:52 AM

P80 (31/10/2011)

I've got an interesting coincidence for you. The Lions have put 70+ points on both both the UTS and the Outlaws (who both are contenders for the Warratah Bowl), but only 35 points on the Raiders who are second last.

Does say that suggest the the Raiders are potentially a better team that they have realised?

By tenacious_d - 2/11/2011 3:38:46 AM

But the Predators just beat UTS, and the Predators scraped home with a 2 point win over the Central Coast. Are they also contenders?

By stang64 - 2/11/2011 9:03:34 AM

Hmm, Gentlemen it seems the smack talk is out.

ok my turn...

The Lions

ill be honest i dont like them, i really hate playing them. BUT i do RESPECT them. its because there so good and precise at all the little things they are so Good. How many teams do you see come to the sideline with their socks up jerseys tucked in all looking Like a Team. to this day i have only seen them. All i know is that they seem to have the secret locked down.

Ive been around for a while now and im yet to see anyone shut them up. i promise to be here till someone does.

its true someone is always going to try cut the tall poppie thats just the way life goes.

Any given Saturday boys, Play hard Play Safe.

On another note i would like to thank the outlaws for a good hard Game to this date that was the best and hardest game i have played.

By Coach19 - 2/11/2011 7:18:48 PM

Just to clarify some facts about Monkeyboy's statement that the Lions pick up players from other teams.

The Seahawks DE was living in Newtown and had a demanding job. His choice was either play with a team nearer him or stop playing. The Seahawks coach was cool with that.

The UTS LBer has studies Tuesday and Thursday night so couldn't make that team's trainings. We train on Wednesdays, so that was part of the decision.

There was a DB from the Outlaws a few years back. Can't think of anyone else... That's three players in about 10 years. I wonder how the league has survived this talent drain.

Mustangs / Outlaws was a great game. Playoff intensity and some great talent on display.

By Monkeyboy - 2/11/2011 7:54:20 PM

Thanks for the reply and clarification on that coach.

Both examples I used are top notch players. Were they given special permission from their coaches/clubs to attend training where possible and play on game day. I understand the LB is a second string so not getting as much game time. Yet at UTS he would be a starter and get more time.

Throw in the countless number of juniors/colts that would rather play for Syd Uni rather than near town rivals UTS, Raiders, Pirates, Preds even Seahawks. It does help with recruitment. But you have earned it and do deserve it.

P.S. I am not looking to get into a slanging match about it either. I know you were merely replying to set the record straight.

By MustangsQB - 2/11/2011 8:24:10 PM

Coach19 (2/11/2011)

Mitch Haney, FS played for us but was in a similar situation he moved to Sydney for work and very difficult to travel that kind of distance for training, I know I did it to Predators for a season. Tough Slog.

Thanks would have been a very exciting game to watch. Can't wait for a second shot at it.

By Outlaw54 - 2/11/2011 8:25:45 PM

stang64 (1/11/2011)

Hmm, Gentlemen it seems the smack talk is out.

Any given Saturday boys, Play hard Play Safe.

On another note i would like to thank the outlaws for a good hard Game to this date that was the best and hardest game i have played.

Stang64,

You guys played hard all game and did not give up. We were very lucky to get that result against you guys. In reading some of the posts here, I can confidently say you are no longer the whipping boys as assumed by some on this forum and all your results are well earnt.

I have been around a while and the amount of guy's that went down on saturday was huge. I suppose that was due to the amount of big hits that were delivered on the night. It was good to see some old school smash mouth football played within the spirit of the game. It was also a good reminder for us that we have a lot we need to work on to compete.

After having to watch this game from the sidelines, I already have itchy feet and cannot wait to be back for the final round and lay my fair share of hits as well.

P.S To add my bit on the great Sydney Uni debate..lol. I hate every other club equally other than mine on game day

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 2/11/2011 8:50:35 PM

thanks stang 64 ... n well done to yas all ya really starting to build a strong team down there n its always good to play ya's even though yas didnt come back for the boat race ... i do beleive that must mean outlaws win by forfeit lol so that would be 1 a piece the decider for the last round lol ..... as for the haters on syd uni n all the cryin others have been doing .. lads they are doing it they are constantly raising the bar its up to us to catch them .. n all teams can build look at stangs ,preds n us mighty outlaws how we have all improved from last year its up to us to take it better n higher n bring it to syd uni .... i dont fear them i do respect them but and i truely beleive there are a few teams in our comp on there day can match them ... playoffs are a diff situation ya never know wat can happen

By Invictus - 2/11/2011 8:55:45 PM

Homer, I'm deeply wounded by the thought that I'd have any problem with any of the Sydney Uni offensive line........or any offensive line man at all. The mere suggestion that I will usually be doing something to annoy/upset/irritate one of those jolly chubb's is......well....spot on! I may well have had a scuffle with just about all of them over the past seasons - oh such fond memories........

For the record, I've never ever found Dave Allen to anything other than a good guy on and off the field - we shoot some banter back and forth on occasion (when I can understand his pidgin English...). He is loving the fact that UTS has never beaten Sydney Uni as much as we hate it. Still, I have confidence that this will change, and I'll be there to make some smart arse comment to him when it does.

As far as shenanigans with either of #60 or #63; what there's not supposed to be some tussling going on? Its a physical game, and I have to say #60 seems like an admirably grumpy guy on the field and I'll admit I have tried to bug him into making mistakes. Didn't really work, so I'll try something else next time! There was nothing malicious in it, just part of the game! I do miss that funny little guy with the beard who I used to chase around on special teams until I learnt dwarf tossing was frowned upon by the officials!

I'm pretty sure any arrogance on the part of the players is frowned upon by the club's leadership, not just because it tarnishes their club, but also because it motivates other teams to dig a little deeper. And I think they know people don't need any more motivation to try to beat them. Now looks like there is a growing list of clubs that look capable - again, it can only be good for the standard of the league, Wolfpack and Aussie gridiron in general (and will hasten the end of fat little troll-creatures playing right offensive tackle well beyond their sell by date, even if no plays get run to their side out of fear of damaging historic icons!).

As far as dirty players - we all know to whom you refer, and yes he's laid on a few questionable hits that were unnecessary (or I wouldn't have made...probably...unless....), but you generally gets blindsided if you're not looking at everything that's around during the play. Switch off for a moment and you get cleaned up. Personally I love blind siding the o-line fatties on interceptions as payback for all the holding and being ugly that they do.

There are far worse offenders than that guy......

By Hawkpeter - 2/11/2011 8:57:00 PM

It would be a mistake for someone to confuse players moving from one club to another with clubs folding (Redbacks and Jaguars) and those players deciding to move to a surviving club. A good portion of the league for a time was about this very phenomena, teams sprouting and folding and merging.

Players should play where they like; smokes, we're amateurs, players are only exercising their recreational liberty.

By Coach19 - 2/11/2011 10:38:36 PM

Oops, I forgot Mitch Haney. Sorry Mitch. It just seems like you've always been here.

No worries Monkeyboy. I will say that when a player comes from another team (which is reasonably rare) I always ask 'why do you want to leave the team you are with.' If it's work or schedule then okay, but I'm not keen on medal hunters*.

*Sigh... Making this statement in no way indicates the assumption that Sydney Uni think they are guaranteed a medal of any colour in any season.

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:15:28 AM

I am sick and tired of hearing about people complaining about Sydney Uni.... Seriously.. get your hand off it.

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:19:29 AM

Sydney Uni are the Best..... hail Sydney Uni!!!!!!

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:19:56 AM

Sydney uni are unbeatable!!!!!

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:20:32 AM

Sydney Uni are the most cerebral team in the League

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:21:01 AM

Sydney Uni have the nicest Uniforms!!!

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:27:51 AM

I guess it is easy for some of you to throw stones behind a keyboard....... Seriously though.... put your energy into something constructive not winging about Sydney Uni....... Sydney Uni can win another 50 championships for all I care but it does not change anything to the game...... (which in fact is a little sad, because if you had any real pride you would not let one team dominate in the way that they have.... you sow what you reap..)

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:44:01 AM

Sydney Uni are hanging out for some competition and they are just want to play against a competiotive Team each week.

By Luxford - 3/11/2011 2:44:50 AM

Down Set Uni!!

By Hoofhearted - 3/11/2011 2:48:18 AM

Wow....I tend to agree that talking about hating SU gets a little repetitive. However Luxford seems to have taken it a little personally (see ALL the responses above), is Luxford an SU player perhaps?????

By Dbronco - 3/11/2011 2:57:19 AM

Hey guys, long time reader first time writer, I completly agree with luxford i am not a SU player but to be the best you have to beat the best and yes we can all sit here and say things about them but at the end of the day they are the best in the NSW Gridiron league and they will continue to be. In saying that alot of other teams are starting to really step up like Outlaws, Preds and mustangs with others like Seahawks and UTS on a great day show that they are viable for the top spot one day soon. just my thoughts BigGrin

peace

Dbronco

By Gaff - 3/11/2011 3:30:33 AM

That new Outlaws HC should be Coach of the Year...just sayin

lol

By TacoBell - 3/11/2011 3:35:07 AM

Can we just have a hug-fest and move on with hatin/lovin the Lions and start the next week's predictions?

I think that Preds will shock a few people and stick it to the Lions and shock the world (they held the Lions to an 8 points first half in their first game) and they have matured as a team since then plus they have finals aspirations with more to prove.

I think that Pirates will beat an injury ravaged Sharks, and the match of the round has to be UTS v Outlaws, with the Oulaws coming off a narrow win but are secure in 2nd place and UTS wanting/needing to climb back up the ladder. I think that UTS will upset the Outlaws this weeks as they have more to play for.

By Predwr - 3/11/2011 8:16:15 PM

Seriously, if people could hit their opposite number as hard as they hit the keyboard then this league would be so much more interesting!

Preds have SU this weekend so I hope to god my hamstring is better so I can line up some of those outside backers and DBs!

By Jammin - 3/11/2011 9:01:48 PM

Wow,

I mention one comment about a few bad apples and people ran with it. I do offer my apologies if I offended an entire club which i know i certainly did not, so i'll be mindful of my comments in future as there is one pet hate i have and that is trash talking.

Back to my predicitons for the week

Predators vs Lions

The Preds are coming off a monumental victory over UTS and will need to step it up even further to dethrone the Lions. Will this happen? Plain and simply NO.

There are too many mismatches that favour the Lions. If the Preds are to do anything it will be control the clock and mix up their pass vs run. Experience is a huge factor towards the business end of the season and the Lions have it in droves.

The Lions will continue to prove to the footballing community as to why they are the benckmark. (I have found out the secret to their success? Coach Dunne shadows these Bear forums and picks everybodys mindset and capitalises on it BigGrin

)

Lions 60-12

Pirates vs Sharks

The Pirates come off a much needed bye that rested their injured and weary troops. They will take to this game like a fish to water and will be looking for the big score to prove to the other teams that they are still a contender. It will be interesting to see the game plans conisdering there have been some key injuries to ther squad.

Whilst i'm on injuries, what can I say about these Sharks? I think their insurance premiums have skyrocketed for next season. This is a team who can easily forfeit games as has been done in the past by other clubs since they have nothing to play for. Will that happen? Definitely not. If the Sharks have to play with 11 players both ways you know they will and give it to any opposing team. (My hat goes off to you all Smile

)

This is what i will call a statement game. Pirates playing to stay in touch with the Lions/Outlaws and the Sharks will be playing for PRIDE!

Pirates are still too strong across the board

Pirates 54-0

Outlaws vs UTS

It has been referred to as the game of the round. The Outlaws have been getting those results however are playing below their best. (Thats a scary thought). They are back at home at the foot of the mountains and will want to continue their winning streak heading into the playoffs.

UTS on the other hand have everything to play for and IMO their season is on the line. The Mustangs and Seahawks are close on their heels. This team need to find the missing spark they once had. In one season they have gone from a Powerhouse to being in the Outhouse. I'm hearing injuries are a big part of their sesons woes.

If there is ever a game to win and redeem yourself from the gates of hell its a victory over the Outlaws at their ground. Will this happen? I honestly beleive it will not. The mountain boys play with a lot of pride in front of their home crowd and want to head into the playoffs with the solitary loss.

Outlaws again in a close one 28-14

Those are my predicitons, so agree or disagree, whatever tickles your fancy Smile

Play hard and fair gentlemen, and may the victors get all the spoils BigGrin

By Coach19 - 3/11/2011 9:12:57 PM

Yes, Jammin, be careful what you say. We couldn't train last night because when I showed my guys a football most of them burst into tears. They thought each of them were 'bad apples'. It was hugs all round and some intensive professional counselling (which I had to pay for BTW.) So we might be a bit shaky on the weekend.

By The Brohim - 4/11/2011 12:26:09 AM

I was just browsing the Gridiron NSW facebook page and saw a comment dated for October 30th which was something along the lines of:

"I know emotions run high at times,but thats no excuse to shout swear words out when your 3 feet from kids & to do it at your home ground?Somebody tell me why I had to watch a coach yell abuse at officals his own players & anyone within 5kms,Im sure there is a code of conduct,why is itnot being enforced?"

What happened on the weekend of October 30th to get such a reaction from someone in the crowd?

Just curious...

By Outlaw54 - 4/11/2011 6:03:45 AM

The Brohim (3/11/2011)

I was just browsing the Gridiron NSW facebook page and saw a comment dated for October 30th which was something along the lines of:

What happened on the weekend of October 30th to get such a reaction from someone in the crowd?

Just curious...

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 4/11/2011 4:41:36 PM

lads why isnt we cant just focus on how great the footy has been this season ,some teams are really growing & improving the league is getting stronger & thats great .. i enjoy hearing the game predictions & banter about the results each week (much thanks jammin &panda).. n i think credit must be shown to syd uni for wat they have achieved .. 4 all those conplaining put ya effort into training instead ... and lastly this better get me browny points or a extra beer at the pub lol ....coach GAFFEY = COTY !!!!

By Panda - 4/11/2011 7:43:52 PM

Thanks for the props kiwi-outlaw65, but on to the predictions -

The Lions will beat the Predators and the Pirates will beat the Sharks, but in both games I feel it will be closer than people may expect.

The REAL game of the weekend will be the Outlaws vs the UTS.

I think that this is the defining moment for the UTS and if they don't win this one their season may well unravel and it could have a lasting effect. This is an absolute must-win for the UTS and nothing else matters.

The Outlaws will need to guard against complacency but after witnessing their game last weekend and the intensity of their coaches I can't see this happening.

I see the Outlaws winning in a close and classic encounter.

By tenacious_d - 4/11/2011 7:45:53 PM

With the poor syntax and abundance of spelling errors in Luxford's posts I think I know who he is.

He plays on the Oline, he can't spell and he loves to sh*t stir. I will leave you guys to fill in the blanks.

By Jammin - 4/11/2011 8:49:16 PM

' Well Timed Silence hath more eloquence than speech'

Its interesting to read differing peoples opinions here. I now know why this great game takes two steps back for every one step forward. I can only imagine how good we can be if we all did our bit to make this league better and rasing its profile in a positive way.

I thought i'd try and do something different. Since I already gave my predicitions. I'm going to rate all the positional units that i have seen so far this year and on form IMO of course. Obvioulsy people will disagree with me. Smile

QB's

Sydney Uni: Have the best QB in the country who can do anything.

Outlaws: This kid can throw and is a really quick scrambler out of the pocket

Predators: I like this kid too. A good scrambler, agile and can throw

WR's

Sydney Uni: They rarely drop a catch and are all quick and agile. Very good run blockers also

Outlaws: Some may be surprised by my call here but from what ive seen is that they're tough, take hits and always fighting to make yards after the catch

Pirates: Still strong and are quick agile and good run blockers as well

RB's

Outlaws: Stuart Etcell is back to his best. he can cut juke spin and make yards when you think he's tackled, he'll punch out another 5 yards. Is as tough as nails on pass protection and i'm yet to see him get beaten by any rushing lineman.

Sydney Uni: Lam Erby and #40 are a good tandem. they have made some massive yards with the lanes created by the O-Line. Power back and speed back. Very good blockers and have reliable hands as well. they also ahve depth with a third RB who is quick.

UTS: Jean Prill has spent a lot fo time here. Has blinding speed and toughness. Still making the yards for his team. Is the complete package.

Offensive Line

Sydney Uni: Have been the motor behind the offence for years. They have a blend of size, speed and agression to take it to any opposing front. Solid in all type of blocking schemes.

Pirates: A very large front who can run block agressively. Have guy's who can really pull and trap well.

Outlaws: Not as large as their defesive counterparts but have a good mix of speed. Quite an agressive bunch who get a good jump on the ball.

Defensive Line

Sydney Uni: Not as large as in previous years but have excellent technique and constantly put pressure on the Offensive Line.

Outlaws: These behemoths really plug thos gaps and are quite agile for being man mountains. Very agressive on the ball and love to tackle the Ball carriers before anyone else.

Pirates: Another huge line with some all star talent. quick off the ball, plug the gaps and break off blockers to make the plays on the first line.

Linebackers

Sydney Uni: Very quick and agile who all have safe hands for those picks. Love to hawk the ball and make a play. Strong across the field.

Outlaws: Good mix of youth and experience. quick off the ball and very agressive in pursuit. Love to punish the ball carries in the backfield an swarm to the ball as a unit.

Pirates: Very agressive bunch who love to attack the LOS. Have size and speed on the edges as well.

Defensive Back's

Sydney Uni: Their secondary makes the difference giving them the top spot. Very quick who rarely get beat and seem to have a knack for picking off QB's

Outlaws: Tough and quick who are great run stoppers. Good in deep coverage as well stopping a few sure touchdowns so far.

Pirates: Quick and agile. They can make a play and have a strong secondary

Head Coach's

Sydney Uni: Coach Dunne seems to always lift his team and make them better for every season. A methodical taskmaster who demands perfection.

Outlaws: Coach Gaffey has turned this program around from the previous years. Has brought discipline to his team and the four quarter mentality.

Predators: Coach Levin??(Not sure). Has improved the program where they are now competing against the bigger clubs. Playing a lot smarter and mixing up their offensive style of play

Well i hope you can appreciate my choices. Some were hard to distingusih but i based it off my own eyes and on form as well.

P.S- Coach 19, I'm sorry i was the cause of your counselling bills Sad

By Love To Run - 5/11/2011 1:54:30 AM

Jammin,

Thanks for compliment but Coach Hill has been our club head coach the last couple of years. Interesting food for thought and thought I would add my 2 cents worth.

QB's

Agree Lions QB Kiren Dorney

I Do like our QB Mark Shoebridge

But I would rate the young guy from the Pirates # 12 I think slightly ahead of the Outlaws QB

I have not seen the guy at the stangs who has taken over from Mitch but people say he is not bad.

WR's

Agree with you. Would like to add the tall guy with long hair from the outlaws seems to catch a lot more than he drops

RB's

Stuart Etcell is quality period

I think the uni RB's have the benifit of a great line and not taking anything away from them I think that helps alot. Jean seems to have been injured more than he has played this year and I think that is a contributing factor to the current UTS situation.

I like our RB's and in particular Raneen #44 runs hard all day and is rarely dropped for a loss

I like #40 I think it is from the Raiders yes the Raiders and he is only a young bloke I think. Sharks and Stangs RB's are hard workers also

Pretty much agree with the rest but beleive again Predators secondary has come on leaps and bounds in the last 2 seasons which has been a catalyst to our defensive success this year.

Finally special mention to Jammin. I have enjoyed your right ups all season and your special comments.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 5/11/2011 4:24:52 AM

???? we dont have any receivers with long hair ???

By Monkeyboy - 5/11/2011 9:37:49 PM

Very quiet on here. What were the scores?

By Love To Run - 6/11/2011 6:26:17 PM

We got pumped 50 something to 0 a dissapointing reslut to say the least.

By rt75 - 6/11/2011 6:48:44 PM

GNSW posted this to facebook:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304068_296848820333102_215891421762176_1144549_71761165_n.jpg

Lions 48 - Preds 0

Pirates 41 - Sharks 0

UTS 39 - Outlaws 37

So UTS Outlaws seems to have lived to game of the week status and UTS have stepped it when it matters. Love to hear how the game went from those who were there.

By Hawkpeter - 6/11/2011 7:18:50 PM

Apologies to UTS and the Outlaws.

In 15 years of going to games and probably 25+ football fixtures a year that is the first time I have ever broken down on the way to officiate a game. Hopefully I can go at least another 15 years without it happening again!

By Invictus - 6/11/2011 8:28:26 PM

If a team scores a TD then gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after the play, does the score stand?

By The Brohim - 6/11/2011 10:08:26 PM

Yes the score does stand

By Gaff - 7/11/2011 12:21:44 AM

its one of the new rules Mike. if the dead ball penalty (like taunting or swearing) happens during the play then the penalty is assessed at the location of the penalty.

saying that...i thought you guys got hosed on that call.

Congrats to UTS on the win...you definitely deserved it and played well

By Steamin Louey B - 7/11/2011 3:47:08 AM

What's the story? Sounds like a bit of a controversial finish.

By LoneDingo - 7/11/2011 4:20:15 AM

Wasn't at the finish of the game, it was during the second quarter.

Someone was swearing rather loudly on our sideline during a play that resulted in a touchdown from about the Outlaws 10 (2nd or 3rd down from memory). TD was nulified, 15 yards marched from the original LOS and unable to make up the ground so FG was kicked instead.

The flag was deserved, no question on that (although I do have to say there were a lot of other comments from both sidelines and huddles that were worse and ignored, but that's irrelevant). Did not have the biggest impact on the outcome of the game but it did nothing for the nerves and patience of us coaches. There were a lot of other things that had a bigger influence on the scoreline, and few of them had to do with the referees.

All of that aside, it was a hard-fought game by both sides. It goes without saying that it was great to see our guys step it back up and play more like they are able to after all the trials we've had over the last month. And Gaff and his players didn't give up. If it wasn't for that last stop on the 2pt conversion the game could well have tied.

By Invictus - 7/11/2011 5:55:53 PM

Er, I think if the Outlaws had scored the final 2 point conversion the game would have been tied.......its the wonder of maths!

Still think the flag was thrown after the TD was scored, at least the ref had the decency to be a little apologetic later when throwing the flag on the same type of offence after a late hit on one of our players - BTW johnny come lately zebra, either the late hit was a knee in the back (and therefore a personal foul) or leading with the helmet (in the player's back) in which case its also a personal foul. Hard to make a tackle with the helmet being the first point of contact if you're not leading with the head. It's great to see a side judge so smartly turned out, but his response was a little too smart alecky and in fact rather nonsensical.

Still, a win is a win, and we did enough on the day to get to sing our song (must be a record deal somewhere in the future!). We played like it mattered, and it does from hereon in. The Outlaws are for real, and its just sad that we won't get to see them play Sydney Uni again this year!!!!!!

By Load66 - 7/11/2011 7:40:31 PM

The Lions are proud to draw attention to the fact that Dave Allen played in his 200th game for the club over the weekend, which is an impressive milestone.

Please checkout this article for more info: http://www.sydneyunigridiron.com/dave-allen-reaches-200th-game-milestone

By Monkeyboy - 7/11/2011 10:44:00 PM

Congrats DA. Not a bad knock. It will be hard to beat, just like you. Hope you go around for another 200 games.

By Lions53 - 8/11/2011 12:46:24 AM

Thanks Thode ... and thanks Monkeyboy

By Scott_Lawrence(Seahawks85) - 8/11/2011 6:40:35 AM

I'm not a regular visitor of this particular site. In fact, i stopped participating in this forum after my first season (4 years ago) for obvious reasons (The quality of the material on here and the nature of discussion for starters). But after being informed of your comments regarding the officiating of Saturday's match between the Outlaws and UTS, i felt compelled to create an account in order to quash this batch of trash-talking from behind your curtain of anonymity. I hope that you and other visitors of this forum will take the time to read this response in it's entirety.

I was the line judge on the UTS sideline for the 2nd half of Saturdays game (after the original line judge refused to take further part in the game following the treatment he received from the UTS sideline during the first half) and i would like to put this to you in order for all readers to have a better understanding regarding a number of the events that took place.

Firstly, the "Johnny come lately zebra" label is in no way warranted. I was not designated to be at that game for the kickoff as we had more than enough volunteers from our club scheduled to be there well before the commencement of play (it was unfortunate that car trouble delayed 3 of them). I'm sure that you will agree with me when i mention the terrible depth this league has in both qualified and experienced officials. I have decided to try and make an improvement on this situation by completing the officiating testing process as well as volunteering at as many games as possible in order to gain more experience in the various officiating positions (I wouldn't expect you to recall but i was standing in the rain at the head referee position with John Boss during a rainy UTS game at Revesby a few weeks earlier despite having no requirement or reward to be there. My club had our first bye week and i knew it would be a good chance to learn more from our current senior officials) . I work in the city from 6am in the morning on Saturdays and finish anywhere between 5 and 6pm within walking walking distance of my home. Instead of staying in the city though and enjoying some recovery time, I voluntarily drove out to Penrith in order to gain additional experience and improve my officiating ability given the fact that my club had the bye. I don't appreciate the above-mentioned label considering the fact that i was going to great lengths in order to arrive at the game as soon as possible in an attempt to improve this league's current officiating situation through my own personal development as a volunteer official.

Secondly, your comments regarding what you claim was late hit and/ or spearing on the ball carrier are also misplaced. Of the 4 officials at the game, none believed any of those penalties to have occurred and having been in an excellent position to view the tackle, I confidently considered it to be very legal (it was a forceful hit as most 2nd of 3rd tacklers tend to deliver more punishment than the first, but that doesn't make it illegal). Although there are only a few designated personnel given the privilege of questioning the official, i am very open to receiving questions from all players and support staff as i believe that education and discussion are very important to the development of participants' understanding and application of the rules. What i received though was a series of negative comments and a continuation of arguments from players and support staff regarding this decision. This was despite the fact that i had made it perfectly clear that there were no instances of spearing or leading with the helmet. The ball carrier was hit from the 2nd tackler on his way to the ground and although the tackler's helmet made contact with the ball carrier, it was not the first point of contact as was falsely claimed by the sideline (commonplace in most games).

I like to think that i am fairly sporting when it comes to receiving comments from the sideline and i suppose that it can be considered by some as part of football. As a player i understand that people become heated and frustrated, but what i do not appreciate is a continued attempt by players and/ or staff to bully or "work" an official, especially when it is clear to me that they are significantly out of touch with the game's current legislation and it's interpretations. A few members of the UTS club (Tall big guy with his right arm in a sling and a small handful of what i assume, given their obvious severe lack of physical athleticism, were benchies aka bag-carriers. Apologies i do not know their names) were lucky to receive only a 'smart' response on my behalf as opposed to costing their team 15 yards which would have been an easy alternate choice for most officials. Consider it a little tit-for-tat, so to speak instead of a harsher punishment which, in my opinion, would not have contributed to the match.

Lastly, i would like to ask you "Invictus" what your actual name and relation to the league is, and what you are doing to contribute to it's improvement. Unless your are engaging in activities that will have a positive effect on this competition and it's participants, i would suggest that you spend less time taking anonymous pot-shots from behind a keyboard (which appears to be the cultural norm of this forum) and more time improving yourself as a player and league member. I look forward to seeing you on the field in the future.

Kind regards - Scott Lawrence of the Sutherland Seahawks.

By Lions53 - 8/11/2011 7:41:41 AM

Scott_Lawrence(Seahawks85) (7/11/2011)

... i would like to ask you "Invictus" what your actual name and relation to the league is, and what you are doing to contribute to it's improvement. Unless your are engaging in activities that will have a positive effect on this competition and it's participants, i would suggest that you spend less time taking anonymous pot-shots from behind a keyboard (which appears to be the cultural norm of this forum) and more time improving yourself as a player and league member. I look forward to seeing you on the field in the future.

Kind regards - Scott Lawrence of the Sutherland Seahawks.

Hey there Scotty-too-Hottie, great post, you've always played with passion and not clearly learning to ref with the same dedication ... Invictus is Mike Harper, balding, fat and owes me 50 bucks for un-paid wagers that UTS would ever beat Syd Uni (Scottie are you aware that UTS has never beaten UTS?) ... and Lions53 is Dave Allen (not as fat as Harper)

By Dexter - 8/11/2011 7:43:54 AM

Lions53 (7/11/2011)

[quote][b] Hey there Scotty-too-Hottie, great post, you've always played with passion and not clearly learning to ref with the same dedication ... Invictus is Mike Harper, balding, fat and owes me 50 bucks for un-paid wagers that UTS would ever beat Syd Uni (Scottie are you aware that UTS has never beaten UTS?) ... and Lions53 is Dave Allen (not as fat as Harper)

Wow, again with the UTS sledging, dude get a life

By TacoBell - 8/11/2011 7:48:22 AM

Scott_Lawrence(Seahawks85) (7/11/2011)

Great post Mr Lawrence of the Sutherland Seahawks

By Coach's Favourite - 8/11/2011 10:05:01 AM

Lions 53, congratulations on 200.
I love the post, and you can kiss that $50 goodbye as it has been spent. Harper is only loved by goats when he pays for them

By Jammin - 8/11/2011 7:06:41 PM

Wow,

I just read all these posts on satellite delay. First of all congratulations to Dave Allen on his 200th game, that is a huge achievement and that record would stand on the international playing field somewhere. Well done.

Thank you to 'Love to run' for your compliments too. i just try to call it like i see it. am i always right? Probably not, but i just love football.

Well Jammin made the trek to the foot of the mountains to watch the game of the round and it lived up to the hype. It's a shame these forums start attacking the officiating in close games. I know i had questions regarding officiating a long time ago but the refs call it as they see it, simple.

On to the game, From the opening kickoff i thought the Outlaws would run up the score and win comfrotably after an early 2TD lead. Wrong! The next Kickoff was returned to the house by #21 staight down the middle.

There were plenty of big hits from both teams and it was a real tug of war type of match. The UTS offence finally looked like its oldself and pounded the ball. They were making the yards each time and were getting the little things right. Big props to the UTS O-line who fought in the trenches all day and did thier job for the RB's. A big change in the game was UTS long touchdown just before the half. QB pitch to RB/QB Jean prill and he throws downfield. The Outlaws Secondary were caught napping and a TD resulted putting UTS in the lead. Gutsy call by Coach Bosco

The second half had the same intensity as the first and again the scoreline was continually back and forth. the Outlaws started to find their groove on Offense and RB Stuart Etcell chewed up some large yards. A key game changer was the Outlaws long bomb to their go to reciever #1 who caught it about 40yds out, then broke off every tackle to score. Talk about yard gained after the catch.

The biggest difference i found in this game was the Outlaws Defence. They have played strong all year, but on this occasion they looked a little flat. The simple plays like DIVES and Off tackle running were not being stopped. They spent a lot of time on the field and gave away some silly penalties.

On the other hand this is the best the UTS defence has played all season. Although they had 37pts scored against them, they made the crucial stops which stopped the Outlaws in thier tracks and killed off any momentum they could acquire.

With less than 2 minutes lift in the game the Outlaws marched the ball 70yds(I think) to score. The final 2pt conversion attempt was given to RB Etcell who ran up the middle and was stopped by the UTS Defence in a huge play.

This loss would have cut the Outlaws deeply but i still see them in clear contetntion for the Waratah bowl followed by the Pirates. UTS played the game of their season and have improved but i do not see this momentum conitnuing if they have to play the big three again this season.

From my eyes, there was a lot of yelling from the sidelines and what dissapoints me as a spectator is that we all expect coaches and captains to contest officials calls but I did notice there were a lot of 'Entourage' type people who were on the sidelines having their say and inflaming situations. Whether they are injured players or friends of players I do not know.

Something needs to be done here, maybe have player and official accrediation and give the official the power to request it when needed???. If it cannot be provided then move the guilty off the sidelines and penalise the team.

To add to Scott Lawrence's comment. I take my hat off to you for going public and its a shame you copped so much flak. We all need to remember that without officials there will be no league. In regards to the disputed decisions, I must be getting old and blind because i did not see anything so wrong to be brought up on this forum. Smile

I actually thought you and John Boss had a good game. Smile

If poor behaviour continues then there will be less people willing to give their time to officiate and it would further pollute this great game. If this is not high on the League Executive agenda, it should be.

Enough negatives, the positive thing was that I witnessed some great football by two high calibre teams. Sydney Uni is still the benchmark and will be hard to stop but the rest of the teams have narrowed the gap at least.

Smile

By Monkeyboy - 8/11/2011 9:11:36 PM

Scott Lawrence, I applaud you for doing the officiating. A lot of guys do not understand the what it means. Without officials we do not have a league. Teams need to understand that they must abide by the officials, whether it is the regular officials or player officials. This season there has what I noticed been a massive jump in USC calls. I know most of the regular officials, I class you in that as well as Greg Evers, Pete Upham, with John Boss and Phil Webb are approachable and you need to be. Teams need to understand who can and who cannot talk to an official.

But Scott, you should not have got on here in your official capacity to howl down any team or players. If you had a point, I am sure the league has avenues on where you can put in a complaint. For you to attack players who are not as physically athletic as you on an open forum as your capacity as a referee shows very bad taste. If there is a whistle to be blown on the "bag carriers" then blow that whistle and give them 15 yds. If the original line judge was getting abused then he should throw flags and then watch everybody shut up.

You felt the need to defend yourself, sure. But this way of going about it is wrong. I do hope you continue with the officiating and I am sure everybody appreciates it. Maybe next time you officiate UTS, they might be nicer to you.

By Invictus - 8/11/2011 9:14:15 PM

What a storm a few questions seemed have created.....people see plays from different angles so have different interpretations. I saw the play I posted about from a different angle from the second half side line judge. You (line judge) made a judgement call, I made a judgement call and asked a reasonably polite question and then let it go. Not so much a false claim as a erroneous one as it would be false to claim otherwise. Hardly a continuation of the argument for those of us under the emotional bell curve - I posted the question here as its a forum for players and other people interested in the game and I thought others might have an answer. If I'd have called you something rude I would have understood your impassioned response about everything that's wrong with the game. Christ, I still pull Darren Mitchell's leg about calls he made 5 years ago; I don't think he minds too much. I will not be reminding you of this non-call in 5 years time for fear that the silica discomfort is still just too raw.

It wasn't intended as a deeply wounding attack on you as the official who made the call, but was taken that way.....I apologize for having caused such grievous insult to be taken as you "confidently considered" it to be a legal hit. Being a bit of a giant douchebag myself though, I would challenge the interpretation of the comments/explanations received from the zebra in question as being anyway close to being "smart".

Certainly not smart to belittle some of those on the side line for lack of athletic prowess. Football is a game for all shapes and sizes (aka the Dave Allen clause); a finely turned ankle or freshly pressed uniform is not a prerequisite for making a contribution to the game. I hope you weren't referring to any of the support staff for UTS who give up enormous amounts of time and energy to help get UTS on the field on game day. That's actually pretty average behavior and perhaps you'd be decent enough to apologise to them for the slight.

Hmmmm, johnny come lately - a quick Google search reveals that this means a novice or relative newcomer - as you yourself say, you are looking to gain experience in officiating...... However I can appreciate again that you feel slighted and somewhat diminished by the use of the term, and I apologise for having used it. I think the effort you made to help officiate at the game was outstanding, and I think that all five people who read this website will applaud your commitment to the game. As for asking about my contribution to the game, I think I'll avoid becoming a ref as we all know I'd have to lose my sight to do the job, and I'm not sure if I am ready to make any "smart" pronouncements on anything yet. As far as anonymous goes, those that know, know - Dave Allen outed me within seconds....

In a way I hope I don't see you on the field, as your contribution to date has put me (and my ill-formed friends) to shame.

I'd agree with Jammin that Johnny B had a good game as a ref - he normally does (John, I'm not working you I swear!) and I think you, Mr Lawrence, have made an excellent of mentor through these dark, dark, dark, dark, dork, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark days.

Anyway, rather than talk about the feelings of one of the refs, Dave Allen, you are a fat idiot (are we using the forum properly again now??) - our bet is double or quits on all the games we play in. Given this was made when all we knew of the shire was Frodo and that gay fat one, the total is at least $1000 - I'll be more than happy to give you the fifty next time I see you!!!!!!!

By Scott_Lawrence(Seahawks85) - 9/11/2011 8:10:04 AM

Hi Mike thankyou for the hasty response. I enjoyed your humour and agreed with some of the points you made. I may actually go to sleep tonight relatively hate-free! I would like to make a couple of things clear to the 5 or so people who read this thread. In no way was my original post intended to be an unprovoked complaint/ attack on any particular club or it's behavior AS A WHOLE towards officials. I enjoyed my time officiating on Saturday and will look forward to sharing a sideline with both the Outlaws and UTS whenever possible. They are both good clubs and have decent associates with whom i believe that i get along with fairly well (somewhat of a rarity for a Seahawk i will concede).

My original post was a response to a some comments made by Mike that i took personal offence to. Although it has come to light that i was wrong in my assumption of who he was, i think the way in which i (regretfully) described a handful of UTS players makes it obvious that i had (mistakenly) thought "invictus" to be one of them. I was trying to create an underlying message that he would be better off improving his personal abilities as a player as opposed to attacking the officiating (as well as trying to make him feel bad for his post, let's be honest). Not an incredibly mature response on my behalf but i'm working on it. On the contrary to peoples' ideas regarding my feelings towards athletically "underdeveloped" footballers in our league, i am far from what most would consider to be a respectable athlete (working on that also) and i have a strong appreciation of the contribution people of all abilities make to this league. You only have to look at our team a few weeks into the regular season to see what kids with barbel allergies can do. Our non-starters also make up the vast majority of numbers each and every week at practice. They fulfill the big 3 criteria as far as my own personal standards are concerned. That is, we pay our money, we come to practice, and we have a genuine desire to become better (on and off the field).

Now moving on. Let it be known that any posts on this site coming from myself should be understood by all to be coming from a PLAYER who volunteers to officiate, they are not posted by a GNSW official. Any official complaints or grievances i have during officiating will be known only by those who need to know. And for the record i've not been dissatisfied with any player or staff conduct AT THE GAMES that has involved myself directly. I am always more than happy with the way i am approached and received by almost all players and staff (I would not have even thought any more of Sat night's events had i not read Mike's earlier post. Some readers have deduced from my response to him that i was unhappy with the way UTS conducted themselves on the sideline during the SECOND half. Although it's a sad admission to make, i think that would be a little rich coming from a member of the Seahawk's sideline (although we're making excellent improvements).

Finally, before more comes to mind and i rattle off on another tangent. I apologize if any of my comments offend anyone, and rest assured that retribution for my (can we be polite and say) "spirited" antics on this forum (and the football field) is long overdue and i am certain that a giant anvil of a lineman will be shot into me sometime soon, deleting me from play with what Redding would describe as a "catastrophic injury".

By stang64 - 9/11/2011 9:09:31 AM

ok way to much dribble dribble happening here, on with the show.

So lets get some predictions for this weeks games shall we.

There was a saying i like to use that you may or may not agree with. Dont leave it up to the judge's play like champion's, live like gentlemen.

By Dbronco - 10/11/2011 10:07:26 PM

Week 11 Preview,

4pm Seahawks v Predators

This is one of my best bets for game of the round,

The preds will look to get back on a winning streak after a loss to the lions last week and will really look to show that they are a strong force in the upcoming finals and with a win over the seahawks will cement them into this year finals,

I think they will test the seahawks defence with thier spread offence, strong inside Running game and mobile quaterback which has given them the success that has got them this far in the season.

The seahawks will look to use thier strong running game to set the tone for thier offence and try to wear down a impressive preds defence while spreading the ball throught the air to their talented recievers

after the 0-0 result from the last time these teams met both defences will come out firing in this game and i think it will be a close one,

Predators over the Seahawks 20-14

UTS V Mustangs

This is another great game of the round with Mustangs needing a at least another win if not two for a potential playoff appearance for the first time in a long time and UTS coming off a impressive win against a very strong outlaws squad.

Last time these two sides met the young mustangs side was still finding thier groove and the expereinced UTS team took advantage that to come away with a good win.

Mustangs will look to thier vastly improved offence to gain momentum against a great UTS defense that is lead by an outstanding defensive line and linebacking core and will also test the passing game that has been sucessful all season long, the UTS corners will be tested thins game I would think

The UTS offence will come out swinging from play one and will be a force for the young Mustangs defence, They will test the stangs defensive line and linebackers will there great running game off the impressive running by Jean Prill and with some powerful lead blocking from there hugh full back (sorry not sure fo the number) and this will be followed up by a good passing attack that will sure to test the young stangs impressive pass defence

After the very close win from last week from UTS and a very close loss from the Mustangs the week before I see this one going down to the wire in an upset

Mustangs over UTS 24-22

the final game at kyeemagh

Raiders v Sharks

This will be a good game to watch as you see the Raiders coming off a bye coming up against a a fairly beat up Sharks who i am sure played there hearts out were defeated by the Pirates last week by a large margin,

Raiders will continue to show improvment after the bye week with the very mobile and threating triple option offence offence and with great coaching they have will be a handful for the Sharks defence all day long, the sharks defence does show improvment every week even with the injurys they have had and will be very strong through the defensive line and linebacking core

The Raiders defence will come out very Agressive and will be coming at the Sharks quarterback all day trying to force turnover and shuting down the Sharks running game which is one there strong points as a team, they are coached very well and even with a lot of injurys dont count the sharks out as they will continue to show a great deal of pride and heart

I think the Raiders will win this one by a small margin

Raiders over Sharks 30-6

Hope you all like my review for the week

peace

Dbronco

By Boom Boom Pow - 10/11/2011 10:33:27 PM

Seahawks 14 V Predators 28

UTS 35 V Mustangs 20

Sharks 14 V Raiders 34

By Monkeyboy - 12/11/2011 1:20:14 AM

How great is the football going to be at Revesby tomorrow. I's gonna be great to sit back and watch with a beer. Can anybody shed some light on whether the Lions will be operating the canteen?

By Panda - 12/11/2011 3:38:41 PM

A couple of weeks ago there was a lot of excitement because the Playoff spots were up for grabs. Unfortunately we can all take a valium and calm down because the top 6 teams are set and I even think their positions are set too. The results will go the way of keeping the teams in this order -

1. Lions

2. Outlaws

3. Pirates

4. The UTS

5. Predators

6. Seahawks

End of section

By Jammin - 12/11/2011 5:41:55 PM

Apologies for my late predictions. I had a bit of a break from technology as the doc said it was good for my rehab. Something about the 13th step Smile

Ok here are my predictions for my trusty followers

Seahawks vs Predators

Both teams have everything to play for and the last result produced a rare scoreless draw. The Predators have really improved their game this year and are on the up.

The Predators Offence will be the catalyst. As precedent suggests, the Defense has kept them in the games. It's now time for the Offence to step up or shut up. They have the QB to lead but will he be able to get the rest of the troops to follow?

The Seahawks have been the most inconsistent team all season. Like Forrest Gumps box of chocolates line. That just about sums up the Hawks, 'You never know what your going to get'

The season is on the the line right here and i expect to see 4 qtrs of desperate football going to the wire.

Predators to win in another nail biter 10-7

UTS vs Mustangs

This is the game where the Mustangs need to win or can consider themselves finished for the season. I have been very impressed with the Stangs Offence and they have shown they can throw the rock.

UTS on the hand have had a pretty average season but still seem to be in the race. They had a big win against the Outlaws and are looking to continue the momentum. This game will be run vs pass. UTS will expose the edges and the Stangs need to ensure they have that covered.

Can another be upset be on the cards? IMO not.

UTS will be too strong for the gutsy Stangs.

UTS-32-14

Sharks vs Radiers

Both teams are gone for the season. One team has registered one solitary W and the other is yet to achieve that.

The Sharks have been playing wounded all season and this will not change. They will go out and give it everything. The Raiders are in a similar boat with key injuries hurting them as well.

It's hard to predict what type of match this will be as there are too many players playing either out of position or both ways. I see a scrimmage type game where both clubs will just go out and have fun and let the result take care of itself.

Head says Raiders heart says sharks. So i'm going out on a whim and going with my heart.

Sharks to get their first W 20-12

Have a great weeknd and play hard and fair BigGrin

By LoneDingo - 12/11/2011 10:13:52 PM

Panda (12/11/2011)

Actually, it's not the case. The top 3 and their positions are completely set, and UTS is assured a playoff spot, but there are possibilities for any of the 3 of the Predators, Seahawks and Mustangs to still bow out.

Seahawks

If the Seahawks win today they are assured of their spot in the finals and a match against UTS.
If they lose, they have to hope for either a) beating Sydney Uni next week and the Mustangs losing at least one match; or b) the Mustangs losing both of their final two matches in order to hold onto 6th place and a match against the Pirates in the first week of playoffs.

Predators

If the Predators win today they will be assured of both a playoff spot, and that it will be against UTS. Whether they finish in 4th or 5th will depend on UTS, with a loss resulting in the Predators leap-frogging UTS.
A loss will end up with them facing the Pirates, unless the Mustangs win both games in which case they will actually drop out of the playoffs race.

Mustangs

For the Mustangs, losing both games will result in a 7th place finish and no post-season.
If they win both games they are into the playoffs, with a game against the Pirates unless a) the Seahawks beat the Predators and lose to Sydney Uni in which case they will face UTS (and the 4th v 5th will be decided on head-to-head point differential); or b) out-strip the 16 point differential in their head-to-head with UTS and jump into 5th place facing the Predators if they win today or Seahawks if they win and beat Sydney Uni.
If the Mustangs win one of their two games then they need the Seahawks to lose both to be able to grab 6th place and a game against the Pirates.

By Panda - 12/11/2011 10:48:12 PM

Interesting speculation LoneDingo but purely speculation.

As you read in my earlier post I believe that the results will go the way of keeping the standings the way they are. The Mustangs will be left on the outside looking in which, if my memory serves me correctly, I predicted weeks ago.

An enjoyable read though LoneDingo.

By OB1 - 13/11/2011 6:49:12 AM

Sharks 0-0-0-8 = 8

Raiders 0-6-0-0 = 6

By G-unit - 13/11/2011 8:05:49 AM

Panda - better start rethinking...

Preds with a score and conversion on the last play of the game to win 27-26

Mustangs score in the last minute and then block a FG on the last play to beat UTS 36-34

By Falcon - 13/11/2011 8:06:08 AM

Predators score a TD on the last play of the game, and convert to beat the Seahawks 27-26.

Mustangs score a TD and convert 2-pt in last 2 minutes to win 36-34.

Both cracker games to watch and officiate in.

By Predwr - 13/11/2011 8:18:41 AM

because I wasn't there...

YEEEEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

By G-unit - 13/11/2011 8:22:19 AM

Sorry wrong score for last game should be 38-36

By Love To Run - 13/11/2011 9:00:03 AM

wow what a night of resluts. All 3 teams came from behind to win. Well Done to Sharks, Stangs and the Preds.....

By Falcon - 13/11/2011 9:25:04 AM

G-unit (12/11/2011)

Sorry wrong score for last game should be 38-36

You were right the first time, it was 36-34. That's the score the officials had :-)

By Dapto 58 - 13/11/2011 10:02:21 AM

Hey panda you best start rethinking, Mustangs with the win, seahawks with the lose...now tell me do u think the seahawks beat the lions next week and mustangs lose...cos otherwise the mustangs will be in the playoffs and that would make your prediction from weeks ago....hmmm wrong Wink

little friendly banter buddy thats all Smile

By Love To Run - 13/11/2011 11:04:51 AM

Lions	9	9	0	0	1.000	491	58	433
Outlaws	9	7	2	0	0.778	206	182	24
Pirates	9	6	3	0	0.667	235	121	114
Predators	10	5	4	1	0.550	161	231	-70
UTS	10	5	5	0	0.500	294	292	2
Mustangs	9	4	5	0	0.444	218	260	-42
Seahawks	9	3	5	1	0.389	180	204	-24
Raiders	9	1	8	0	0.111	100	278	-178
Sharks	10	1	9	0	0.100	88	349	-261

OK so Top 4 is set no mater how Outlaws and Pirates fare this week due to head to head results even if they end on same points Outlaws beat Pirates by a point so head to head they would keep second.

Preds are 1/2 a game safe in fourth their highest ever finish

UTS needs an Outlaw win over the stangs to keep fifth but a Stangs win would see them jump to 5th ahead of UTS who would under that scenario finish 6th as I think they beat the Seahawks in the regular season even should they snatch the unthinkable win over the lions

A very interesting final round and the playoffs will also be exciting.

By LoneDingo - 13/11/2011 12:41:56 PM

Nope, UTS are assured of 5th place. If the Mustangs win, they get to the same For/Against percentage as UTS, next category is wins head-to-head which is a tie, and then point differential head-to-head which places UTS ahead since the first game was a 16 point win to UTS which isn't negated by the 2 point win tonight.

And if I was a petty person I'd be posting a pic to a piece of humble pie right now. Whistling

By Panda - 13/11/2011 4:56:51 PM

LoneDingo (13/11/2011)

And if I was a petty person I'd be posting a pic to a piece of humble pie right now. Whistling

Which you would be well entitled to do! Same for G Unit and Dapto 12.

I'm more than happy to admit an error in judgement. Congrats to both the Predators and Mustangs on their wins and for reaching the Playoffs. Well done guys! (Of course we're assuming that the Lions will beat the Seahawks next week and surely that's a safe bet)

My next hope is that the Predators and Mustangs aren't satisfied in just making the Playoffs. It would be great to see them both win (which they are more than capable of) and move on to play the Lions and Outlaws.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves I know. Pass me the humble pie.

By Monkeyboy - 13/11/2011 7:59:40 PM

What a great season. Some really great competition between teams. Lots of upsets kept interesting right to the end. Lets hope the finals continue the great plays.

By bobcat - 13/11/2011 8:31:45 PM

LoneDingo (13/11/2011)

http://gridironnsw.org.au/2010/10/26/division-1-tiebreak-rules/

The way I read it is that it goes to the third tiebreaker which would favour the Mustangs if they can beat Penrith.

By Panda - 13/11/2011 10:17:37 PM

Personally I hope that the Mustangs finish 6th and not 5th, not because I don't think they deserve it but so they can play the Pirates in the first round of the Playoffs and the Predators can then play the UTS.

It would be a shame if the Mustangs had to play the Predators as one would obviously lose, but imagine the Mustangs against the Pirates and the Predators against the UTS?

I see the Mustangs flogging the Pirates (again) and the Predators battering the UTS (again) to go through to the second round of the Playoffs.

The Pirates make the Playoffs but do nothing when they're there and the UTS are on the decline too so it would be interesting to see the "new boys" instead of the old guard.

Just a thought.

By LoneDingo - 14/11/2011 12:46:48 AM

And time for me to eat my words. I was told that after H-t-H it was H-t-H differential, which is obviously wrong. And since the Mustangs have already beaten the Pirates, you're right a win against the Outlaws would give them 2 wins against the top 3 versus UTS's 1.

By Panda - 14/11/2011 7:16:38 PM

I know that we still have one week to go in the Regular Season, but if (just IF) the standings remain the way they are here's my early take on the Playoffs -

Playoffs Week 1

Pirates vs Mustangs - Mustangs to win pulling away

UTS vs Predators - Predators to beat the UTS in a close one

Playoffs Week 2

Lions vs Mustangs - Lions to flex their muscle and end the Mustangs' dream run

Outlaws vs Predators - another tight one but the Outlaws experience to shine through

Waratah Bowl

Lions vs Outlaws - the season closes as it opened. The Lions to be too good for the Outlaws but in a much tougher and tighter game than the season opener

Lions 2011 Champions

Just the way I see it!

By Predwr - 14/11/2011 11:08:54 PM

I'm with Panda, I'm so excited about the playoffs this year (Maybe cause we are actually in it!) but that aside, Outlaws should come in second. Both the Stangs and Preds have made the playoffs. UTS has been beaten by teams that until this season would be described as 'Minos'. The Pirates have been taken down by the Stangs... The back end of the season has been crazy to say the least!

Hope this keeps up through the playoffs and into next season!

Btw, could any of the Lions players let us know if your whole O-line might be in one place at one time? Whistling

By TacoBell - 15/11/2011 1:39:21 AM

for my tip I think that th Pirates are going into the playoffs under-rated and will need to be watched. They are the only team to post a lead against the Lions (all-be-it brief) this season. I know that they lost to the Mustangs, but this was the week right after playing the Lions. I think the Pirates are the dark horse of the playoffs with the cattle to carry them through

By G-unit - 15/11/2011 3:10:59 AM

Predwr (14/11/2011)

Btw, could any of the Lions players let us know if your whole O-line might be in one place at one time? Whistling

Sorry mate, like the recipe for coke, the right combo of the KFC herbs and spices the uni Oline only ever stays in the one place all together on game day. even at training they will only ever have a maximum of two working together at once just in case...

The only time you can see the guys together socially as a group is each year on their float at mardi gras and you missed it sorry Sad

By Coach19 - 15/11/2011 6:25:52 PM

G-Unit... you've compared the Lions OL to two types of fast food. Thought you'd go for something more nutritious. Or maybe FAST is the impression you were trying to get across.

Also, agree a bit about the Pirates... and their 'brief' lead against the Lions lasted most of the first half and twice in the second. So on the sidelines it didn't feel brief at all.

The end of season has been brilliant. Good to see teams really striving for the post-season. The 6 team playoff has meant their is more to play for.

By stang64 - 16/11/2011 9:46:07 AM

This is a great year for the sport. i would hope that with competition this close we would start to see other people taking notice of the sport in NSW.

By Dapto 58 - 18/11/2011 2:06:50 AM

any predictions for this week?? also it would be nice to see some upsets in the playoffs, uts, pirates going out, outlaws and lions pushed to the edge even beaten...mustangs and preds have alot to play for, pride, proof...would be nice to see see someone different in the waratah bowl though

By P80 - 18/11/2011 2:35:10 AM

Dapto 12 (17/11/2011)

Well even if the proof doesnt eventuate, the strides of the league should be apparent

If the ladder remains the same, then going into the playoffs both the Predators and the Mustangs would hold the most recent win vs their opponent.

That said, if Mustangs and Predators both win, then i could actually see the Predators making the run to the Bowl, whereas (i hate to say this) Mustangs would most likely lose vs Sydney Uni.

I wont give predictions on all games, but i will give 1

Mustangs to win 26-24

By Panda - 18/11/2011 7:29:11 PM

All the focus this week should clearly be on the Outlaws-Mustangs games as this is the only one that could have an effect on the Playoffs. I think that the Lions and Pirates will win their respective games but the other game will be tough.

Let me stick my neck out and say that the Outlaws will win a tough game and that the result will be close.

The real interest begins next week in the Playoffs, particularly if the Mustangs get to play the Pirates and the Predators get to play the UTS.

By Jammin - 18/11/2011 8:46:34 PM

Well it's been a great season so far. We head into the final game of the regular season with a lot to play for.

Jammins predictions

Pirates vs Radiers

Not much to say here. Its a bit of a dud game considering one team is now a foregone conclusion. I do expect the young Radiers to test the Pirates and really have fun. Looking at a lot of Option from them.

The Pirates will try and knuckle down and focus on their execution getting ready for the big semi final in 2 weeks. I'm sure coach Taylor would be keeping a close eye on having the starters rested ready for the playoffs as much as possible

Pirates 42-7

Lions vs Seahawks

Seahawks are gone for the season going against the Lions in the last round, and reading back on previous posts they were tipped to be a contender?? Another dud game and i hope the Seahawks field a full side against the Lions and play considering if they win the are most likley in the playoffs, however I think they will just go out and enjoy the last game and look for some trick plays.

The Lions will be business as usual and don't be fooled if you think they will slacken off. They will play this game as if it was a playoff match and raise the intensity.

Lions 50-0

Outlaws vs Mustangs

Very important match for the Mustangs. A lot of questions will be asked and eyebrows raised if they can get the W from the favoured mountain boys.

By all accounts the last match played was a cracker and the Mustangs were unlucky to get a result. This will be a physical game and the difference will be the Outlaws O-line. If they open those lanes for RB Stuart Etcell then this will be a blowout.

If the Mustangs shut Etcell down then anything goes. The Mustangs have a good offence as well and their O-line is just as important to this team to keep the Big Outlaws Defence at bay.

Momentum has been discussed previously and the Mustangs are riding on it. Even though i would like to pick an upset, i just cant do it.

Outlaws 28-12

Playoff Picture (looking into my crystal ball)

Elimination Round

Pirates vs Mustangs

If the Mustangs score early and get a couple of quick TD's then the Pirates will fold and not be able to keep up.

I feel this will be a ground and pound game from the Pirates and their defence will be looking at playing cover 2's and 3's too stop the Stangs aerial threat. Pirates experience to get them the W

Predators vs UTS

The Predators will be playing the same way they beat UTS in their last meeting. A lot of running here as well up the guts of the UTS defence.

UTS will do the same thing and run and look to get to the edges as well at mixing up the play call with triple option. Once again experience will be the factor here and i think UTS will only just win.

Semi final 1: Outlaws vs Pirates

Local derby and a spot into the championship game. This game will be very physical and both teams will need fresh troops to succeed. Outlaws will stick to their power running game.

The Pirates will look to throw the ball a lot more than in their previous meeting. Both sides have experience in their rosters. This game will be as tough as nails and I can see the Outlaws getting the W in the last minute.

Semi final 2: Lions vs UTS

Another local derby for a spot in the waratah bowl. Unfortunately all Ii see here is Lions dominace and they will win this match comfortably. Anything less than 40pts for the Lions will be a surprise. Lions will win easily

Waratah Bowl: Outlaws vs Lions

Lions have the advantage on several fronts. they have the experience and will be alot fresher going into this game thanks to the Pirates softening up the Outlaws in a physical game the previous week.

This game will not be close but i see a respectable scoreline. Once again Lions cahmpions for 2011 Smile

That's how i see it.

The good thing about the future is that it isnt here yet and can be changed. So for all those teams left that I predicted against, please make me eat Humble Pie BigGrin

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At the end of the day i'm happy watching the best league in the country. Play hard and fair and have fun doing it Smile

By rt75 - 20/11/2011 9:49:43 AM

so, this week has turned out to be interesting.

My understanding of things

Pirates win over Raiders by Forfeit (apparently ran out of players in 2nd quarter)

Lions 40 - Seahawks 18

And rumour has it Mustangs v Outlaws was called off due to an unsafe field!!! not sure of the story with this and how things will play out with Mustangs hoping to move up a spot in the rankings.

By Gaff - 20/11/2011 10:15:39 AM

We were told that the hockey venue had been resurfaced, and unfortunately when we arrived today to mark the field, found that it wasnt.

We sent messaged to the League exec, but didnt get any advice ...so carried on.

The game official when he arrived after checking the field and discussing it with the Mustangs and us, declared the surface safe to play on.

Mustangs refused to play. Official declared it as a forfeit

I guess we wait to see what the league exec decides.

It was unfortunate and dissapointing that the Mustangs chose to do forfeit as we had spent quite a bit of money on drinks and food for our first ladies day event, and there was quite a large croud of supporters there for the last regular season game. Also had a photographer there for another paper article.

oh well, shit happens i guess

By Luxford - 20/11/2011 10:25:03 AM

Whic Field was the game played at gaff?

By Luxford - 20/11/2011 10:25:38 AM

Sorry Gaff? with caps....

By Panda - 20/11/2011 5:21:24 PM

Gaff (20/11/2011)

This is unbelievable and a dark day for the League. It's bad enough that the Raiders ended up pulling out of their game against the Pirates but for the Mustangs to REFUSE to play (to quote above) even though the field was deemed safe by the Official is a serious issue.

No doubt the Mustangs will have their reasons and will feel justified but it gives them a bit of an armchair ride into the Playoffs doesn't it?

It will be interesting to see what the League does but my guess is that they will do nothing and the Mustangs will be free to play next week without sanction.

I'm not trying to convict the Mustangs but it doesn't make their Club Executive look good. Let's hear their side of the story first I guess.

By Outlaw54 - 20/11/2011 6:07:51 PM

In all my years playing football, I've never had to deal with a forfeit. What happened yesterday was a joke.

Obviously people have their reasons but it doesn't help when some opposing players are telling you that they want to play but apparently some starters were out and the QB was not there, so the advice was given to forfeit.

Even after the officials declared the field playable and to be honest I have played at other fields in much worse condition than yesterdays ground.

The disappointing thing is that in our league there is no penalty for this action. We have two teams (Seahawks Mustangs) playing for the final playoff spot and on precedence the Seahawks have to play the number one team and try to get a result.

The other team simply doesn't play and is assured a spot? It just does not sound right or fair to me.

For those Mustang players who wanted to play us, i take my hat off to you and have much respect. I for one hope we get to have another game this year.

By Panda - 20/11/2011 6:51:42 PM

So Outlaw54 what you're saying is that the Mustangs were also concerned because they were missing starters including their QB? Sounds like there were more reasons at play than simply safety then, especially as the Official ruled the ground was fit for play.

I think you're right in saying that there will be no penalty for this in-action and the Mustangs will now be fit to take on the Pirates who they know they can beat, hence my point earlier when I said they would get an armchair ride.

Maybe the only good thing Outlaw54 is that you'll get your wish to play them as you will face them after the beat the Pirates. That will be a fun game to watch then as the Outlaws will have plenty to play for eh?

I think this is a lame excuse (sorry its a personal opinion) and if the Mustangs get their QB and other starters back for the Playoffs then they're making the League look like a joke.

Credit should be given to those Mustangs players who actually wanted to play, good on them. They would be gutted at the actions of their Club Executive as it makes them all look sad and that's not necessarily the case.

And so far all we hear from the Mustangs is...silence.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 20/11/2011 8:07:41 PM

Hey guys just 2 clear up a few things b4 rumours n shit all get out of hand ... Our game vs mustangs

1 . Venue was changed cause our lights had been vandalized the reason we chose to change venue & not play earlier was because of the predicted 34+' degree temps

2. Venue was agreed upon by league execs n is also a ground where 90% of you have played on the last couple of seasons & although not great it's still fine to play on

3 . We were told by uws connect that it had been resurfaced but upon arrival to mark field we noticed it was actually the sand field wich had been done the wet based 1 is due to be done in January

4. The league reps, ourselves & refs deemed the field suitable & safe to play on

5. It was mentioned to us that stangs had a large number of guys out injured or unavailable but take nothing away from there players who turned up all that I spoke to wanted to play & were pissed off there club forfeited

6. And yea there was the mention they wanted to rest up n not risk anymore injuries vs us to be fresh vs pirates but who knows

7.As I understand it was the decision of mitch n the evil lil blond gremlin ann maree who made the decision not to play

8. Yes they did forfeit the game was to be played they made the decision not 2

9. Don't blame the mustang players there good blokes n all wanted to play

It not only annoyed a lot of there players but massively peeved off us as we had a huge day planned we had our ladies day n club homecoming on .. With a big crowd n a great deal spent on drinks food n advertising as well as having reps from the local papers there .

It was a bad decision I feel but no hard feelings towards y'all mustangs I still think ya a great club n good bunch of blokes it's a pity ya powers to be aren't the same ... I feel for Seahawks n I do think there should be punishment for teams forfeiting

By Panda - 20/11/2011 8:52:02 PM

Good post kiwi-outlaw.

I feel sorry for -

The Outlaws who it seemed had organised a big day only to see it go pear-shaped through no fault of their own.

The Mustangs players who had the courage to want to play even though their Executive didn't.

The Seahawks who had the guts to face up to the challenge against the Lions and will get no reward for doing so.

The Pirates who now have to face a fresh and arguably full-strength Mustangs team that seized the opportunity to hoodwink the rest of the League for their own benefit.

Full credit to those Mustangs guys who wanted to play as they did nothing wrong. To those who made the lame decision hang your head in shame.

And still all we hear is...silence.

By Panda - 20/11/2011 10:11:53 PM

I see on the League website where they have the posted the games for week 1 of the Playoffs and as expected, it's the Mustangs vs the Pirates.

So I guess congratulations are in order to the Mustangs Exectuve (or the two people that kiwi-outlaw describd) as it seems that you're going to get away with it!

It's a shame really because the Mustangs have worked so hard to gain some credibility and respect this year and my hats off to them, but this shameful incident has destroyed all that hard work.

By rt75 - 20/11/2011 10:50:42 PM

i'm not going to say what the mustangs has done is right or wrong. But would the criticism be levelled as much if they turned up with 17 players? we all know they have issues with numbers, coming up from the gong, would be perfectly understandable situation (even if they orchestrated it unbeknownst to us). They have every right to decide that the field isn't safe or they don't have the players (even if more than 18) and forfeit their game. It might not be the most noble thing to do, but strategy wise it is smart.

By P80 - 20/11/2011 10:55:56 PM

Now i never rant, but this is a FUCKING joke...

If im not mistaken, Seahawks have been guilty of forfeiting before during a playoff season, and there is no mention of that...

Let the record state, i am NOT A MUSTANG

However in my opinion, if you win enough games during the course of a season, and earn the right to "REST" starters in your last game, then you should be allowed.

That being said, i dont like the idea of forfeiting and the damage it does to both the Outlaws and the league, however i honestly feel that this backlash is too much. I definately dont think they should be excluded from the playoffs because of this, and the harsh word flying around are definately unjust in my opinion. The mustangshave done a hell of a job this year, and that shouldnt be overlooked due to 1 forfeit.

I like the seahawks, but this mention of "I feel bad for the sehawks" is crap because over the course of a 10 game season, the Mustangs won more. PERIOD.

I hope that the conversations can move on from this, and can look forward to playoff talk/banter...

By Panda - 20/11/2011 11:30:24 PM

rt75, you're right in saying that "it might not be the most noble thing to do", I guess that's the guts of the matter and therefore strikes at the credibilty issue. And to say what if they turned up with 17 players is a little weird. From what I understand the Raiders didn't even have that many to start with yesterday and they gave it a go with no hope of earning a Playoff spot. And haven't the Sharks battled away in some games with the bare minimum and they never quit.

P80, I also agree with you and don't believe for a minute that the Seahawks deserve to be in ahead of the Mustangs as you correctly point out the Mustangs simply won more games. I never mentioned at all that the Mustangs should be excluded from the Playoffs. My whole point is that this event has hurt the respect that the Mustangs may have gathered from around the League as it appears that they forfeited simply to gain an advantage for the Playoffs and I think that's a little unethical.

Remember one thing, the Official deemed the ground satisfactory and the Mustangs REFUSED to play. That's not a good look.

By MustangsQB - 20/11/2011 11:36:21 PM

I will make this brief and it will be the only post that you will hear from current mustangs on this site regarding this issue.

I have advised our team to keep off public forums such as thebear and facebook as we will be using official pathways to deal with this situation.

By Hawkpeter - 21/11/2011 1:13:00 AM

Smokes, don't go feeling sorry for us. We've been a basket-case this year, whilst the Mustangs have been the epitome of gutsy. They wholly deserve a playoff berth.

I can't add anything to the specifics of whatever happened out there at Penrith yesterday, only to say that the field there has had a declining reputation in terms of safety over the years. It is extremely unfortunate for the Outlaws for their preparation to result in no action on the field, but perhaps they can be compensated with a fixture close to home in the playoffs.

By super star - 21/11/2011 4:35:17 AM

Kiwi - Outlaws 65,

Let me start by saying I am not a Mustang,

But I found point 7 to be tasteless, I understand you are mad, but we are all adults and and that was uncalled for.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 21/11/2011 5:34:04 AM

Mate ya welcome to ya opinion as every1 is & just to correct u I'm not mad I'm just disappointed at there decision when there players wanted to play but the two who made the decision did not even take the time to step onto the field and have a look at the ground ( which is played on & trained on 4 times a week by 6 aside soccer teams without any problem) and was deemed fine by league officials ..but I take you are referring to my comment about the evil lil gremlin ... Each to there own but I see nothing but trouble come from this I individual threw over the years she has caused ppl I know n me personally she sticks her nose in both club business n ppls personal business n this may sound bad but I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire but as i say my opinion (oh n my partner agrees very much so lol) butthis isn't the place to air grievances or to go into detail the trouble this person has caused within the league ,but & trust me my opinions are held by a great many in our league...As for mitch I regard him as a very nice bloke n respectful n still have a lot of time for him n the mustangs having said that I hope this will be the end of all the blah blah bout Wat has happened n let's all focus on Wat is important n that's the footy n the playoffs that's Wat every1 should be focusing on

By Panda - 21/11/2011 5:52:38 AM

Regardless of right and wrong and who said what and who did what, just reading some of the posts on this issue leads me to think we haven't heard the full story and we haven't heard the last of it either.

By tenacious_d - 21/11/2011 7:26:04 AM

I agree with Panda, I don't think we have heard the full story and it will be interesting to hear the Mustang's side of it when (if) it comes to light.

Looking forward to the playoffs, does anyone have predictions for this weekend's games? Do we know yet which venues are to be used?

By Falcon - 21/11/2011 7:59:46 AM

tenacious_d (20/11/2011)

According to the League website, the games are at Terry Lamb Complex, Chester Hill.

4:00pm Pirates v Mustangs
7:00pm Predators v UTS

By Dbronco - 21/11/2011 9:08:28 AM

As a now ex mustang, i will shed some light on the incident, I was there yesterday and what i saw in MY opinion was the wrong decision by the executive of the mustangs, the feild was not the best but was satisfactory to play on, There was several games played on that field this year which i coached in two of them and saftey never came up as an issue, as for the other issue that lead to the forfiet was a apparent altercation that caused the mustangs to fear for thier saftey which I also did not agree with, both decisions made by the committee greating disappointed me and as a result i felt that i needed to step down as vice president and a player/coaching position, after alot of great and positive actions they have taken yesterdays performance has made me think negitivly about the club as a whole and with that I can not be apart of that atmosphere anymore, this is all my opinion and that was how I saw it, best of luck to all teams in the finals, NSW gridiron is the best comp in australia and the finals should be full of great games

By ThinkSimple - 21/11/2011 7:59:46 PM

Just wanted to throw my unsolicited 2 cents worth in as a fan.

I went to revesby on saturday to catch the 2 games. It was a shame that the Raiders were unable to continue due to lack of numbers. these things happen and good on them for showing up and getting in there.

The seahawks/uni game was awesome. at least the first half was. I dont follow any particular team, just a fan of the game, so i tend to cheer for the underdog. Seahawks held uni to 6 each in the first half. Brilliant!! sure it blew out in the second but still, seahawks played with pride and determination and even as the game got away from them they kept at it until the last. great footy to watch.

Special mention to #90 on the seahawks. dude got player of the match for my money. he was the only thing seahawks had in offence and even when #99 had a small tanty on the field, it was our mate #90 that took him aside and calmed him down.

As for the mustangs/outlaws issue. had i have made the trip out to watch the game only to see one side, with numbers, opt out of the game i would have cracked it. As a minority sport looking to grow, every game represents as opportunity to show case what makes this game great. any failures such as this only serve to alienate any potential fan base. Given that there were local reporters there as well, what a missed opportunity for some free publicity. My opinion, play or pay!! start fining clubs for this type of behaviour and it will soon stop, or the league will raise some extra cash to spend on growing the sport. either way its win win.

cheers

T

By Jammin - 21/11/2011 8:43:17 PM

Dbronco (20/11/2011)

This forum has definitely created discussion amongst the gridiron community this season. I would like to share a few things with you all regarding the Mustangs vs Outlaws forfeit as its the topic discussed.

As a fan it dissapoints me that i made the treck to the game to only find out the Mustangs refused to play due to safety concerns. As a fan i had no way of knowing this game was not to be played. (maybe announce online etc..)

My only question here is? If the Mustangs feared for their safety playing on the surface then what about the Outlaws? They finished second and would have been exposed to the same safety risks if that was the issue also risking their championship aspirations?

From what i have read on this foum the Mustangs seem divided on opinion on whether they shoud have forfeited the game. It was very brave of you 'Dbronco' to post and i just hope you're not lost to the game or burnt your bridges with your ex club.

At the end of the day every club has a chain of command and the Mustangs club executive made the decision and will live with that decison whether it was the right or wrong one to the rest of us.

To make the decision to forfeit a game is the most difficult challenge for either a coach, executive member and/or player to make. It sticks and does not wash off. The Mustangs obviously felt very passionate about player safety and refused to risk their playing roster.

Maybe in 20 years we will look at this and say it was the right thing to do. Kind of like when Muahammed Ali refused to go to Vietnam, went to jail and now years later was proven that his decision was the right one.

Let's all move on from this and hope that this can serve as a precedent for the GNSW Executive to revisit the rules and introduce new ones for the 2012 season to ensure this avenue is the absolute last resort to take. Smile

Good luck for the rest of the season Mustangs and i hope the respect is still given for what you have acheived so far.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 21/11/2011 8:53:52 PM

Jason I'm sorry to here that ya leaving ya club n have stepped down it is a real shame n I hope u may reconsider or at least not be lost to our league..I will go onto say that I do personally think mitch is a decent bloke n both the mustangs team n players are good I enjoy playing yas n our beers after the game ...Hey ppls of the bear pls I ask that can we leave the talk n discussions on the events at our game vs mustangs to a end now let's let it all just be handled by the league n the exec's n our club n mustangs .... Was an unfourtanate incident but life goes on n more importantly the footy goes on .... I look forward to hearing all the banter & predictions of the finals

By Monkeyboy - 21/11/2011 11:04:53 PM

Geez, the Mustangs have put undue pressure onto themselves and their club. It will backfire this week with my prediction of an easy win for the Pirates.

I will predict the other game, but with absolutely no confidence as it will be a magical game to watch. I would say UTS to just get up.

By Panda - 21/11/2011 11:07:08 PM

Two points -

Jammin you raise a good issue in that the safety factor would have applied equally to the Outlaws as it would have to the Mustangs, and the Outlaws would not have wanted to risk their players to an injury on a game that essentially meant nothing to them in terms of the standings.

Which makes me wonder (and my second point) -

There's a lot of back pedaling going on with a few people urging us to forget about the issue and move on. That leads me to believe that there's more to this than just player safety.

DBroncos point about the Mustangs players fearing for their safety doesn't sound like a playing surface issue to me and given that others have mention "official channels" leads me to think that this isn't going to go away soon...regardless of the cries to "move on".

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 21/11/2011 11:18:35 PM

Panda who do u say seem's to be back pedaling cause I don't see any1 & I for 1 do not back down from anything i have said & I stand by all my comments n y'all know who I am I don't hide behind some alias name.. I see only ppl saying can we move on n focus on the footy which is Wat should be happening.. Ya can make ya innuendo's or assumption's all ya like but it still stands as fact that .. Mustang exec forfeited for they believed the field unsafe. League exec said it was fine ... end of story

By Monkeyboy - 22/11/2011 12:33:39 AM

There are a few issues that can be rehashed over the off season. Lets concentrate on the finals.

By G-unit - 22/11/2011 2:25:26 AM

Jammin (21/11/2011)

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Let's all move on from this and hope that this can serve as a precedent for the GNSW Executive to revisit the rules and introduce new ones for the 2012 season to ensure this avenue is the absolute last resort to take. Smile

I dont think there is any reason to change the rules.

Forfeit once in a season - no sanction
Forfeit twice in a season - not eligble for finals
Forfeit three times in a season - the club looses membership to GNSW and has to reapply for membership, including all the business plans etc before playing again

By Outlaw99 - 22/11/2011 7:22:01 PM

No sanction for a forfeit? Maybe if they can't field a complete team (like the raiders) but refusing to play on a field a GNSW Official deemed to be playable is a different story.

By Panda - 22/11/2011 7:31:32 PM

I don't mind a good Yum Cha

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 22/11/2011 7:52:23 PM

Panda & jammin I'll direct this at you'd cause your the ones predictions I read most week .... So was wondering of your thoughts on the teams n how they went .. Improved from last year ect .. Now that the regular season has finished & do ya think there will be any upsets in the finals series ... Oh n the inclusion of the newy cobras maybe next year I for 1 think it's a top idea

By Monkeyboy - 22/11/2011 10:22:28 PM

What Cobras. Where will they play out of?

By Lions53 - 22/11/2011 10:27:29 PM

G-unit (21/11/2011)

Jammin (21/11/2011)

I agree with my tubby friend, it's unfortunate, its frustrating but it's last week ... in 2003 Syd Uni had the unfortunate situation when for round 6 the Seahawks forefited (the opening night of the Rugby World Cup in Syd and many of their players had tickets) then to make matters worse we then played the Seahawks again in round 10 and we drove all the way to Wollongong only to find that the Seahawks forfiethed again (due to a mate of the club's wedding and many of the player invited) ... and that cost them their spot in the play-off that year.

The point is we move on, but it really motivated us when we played them in 2004 and we put one of the largest score on them in 13 years of playing

By Outlaw99 - 22/11/2011 10:31:47 PM

Newy - Newcastle

By Monkeyboy - 22/11/2011 10:40:14 PM

Thanks Kiwi. I for one will support that. Might be a few more games played up at the coast though which would also be great for the Sharks.

By LIONSFATBACK_17 - 22/11/2011 11:00:39 PM

The idea of a Newcastle based team entering into the SYDNEY based competition is ridiculous to say the least. Traveling for the sharks and mustangs games is already painfull enough. It would be completely unreasonable of the league to ask Sydney teams to travel that far to play. I'm all for the expansion of our game, don't get me wrong. But that is not an avenue to go down. What happens for juniors? We already have two teams who refuse to play on Friday nights and force teams to travel to them on Saturdays to play. How many new teams do we afford this right to at the detriment of our own clubs? If we are lookin to expand they should be coming with three teams and including the sharks into that conference. Make the highest ranked team eligible for a playoff spot from that division.

If we truely want to expand the sydney league we ought to be targeting the Canterbury Bankstown area as an avenue for new teams and talent.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 22/11/2011 11:13:11 PM

Well me I think the Newcastle addition is a good idea n gee it ain't that far to travel its not like it's in another state ... N nothing beats a team bus trip as I'm sure all my outlaw team mates will agree .. I hope they field a competitive team n sounds like they will from email I have received from there exec's as for there point of junior teams refusing to play on fri nights I dont know much about that but surely a couple sat nights Arvo's to make up for it isn't so bad to help grow the league ... Last I looked it was called the nsw league not the Sydney league n I think it's good to have teams from the coast & newy n the gong ... Good luck to ya cobras hope we play ya next season

By Panda - 22/11/2011 11:26:23 PM

Newcastle may come in and the League will be responsible for making it work, although it will pose some challenges. There used to be a team from Newcastle in the Sydney comp and it seemed to be okay from what I hear.

Lionsfatback, I'm not sure Canterbury Bankstown is a good place for a new Sydney-based team as it would impose on the UTS and Pirates. An area of need is the Northern Beaches as the League hasn't had a team in that area for years.

And before anyone asks...

...Dubai

By ThinkSimple - 22/11/2011 11:43:16 PM

I reckon the southern highlands would be a great place to set up a team Smile

By Gaff - 23/11/2011 12:08:20 AM

As a bit of background info (and im not giving comment for the positive or negative one way or the other):

The Sharks..or central coast gridiron association are a seperate entity to GNSW (at least they were when the joined GNSW) and are an associate body to GNSW, granted the rights and ability to arrange and run their own competition in the central coast (and I assume Newcastle) areas under the gyidance and auspices of the GNSW exec.

It was done that way back in the day so that they could work towards building a seperate junior and senior competition in that region that didnt negatively impact the teams of the existing competition, allowing them to run flag comps etc etc and still get insurance and add their numbers to the GA membership base.

if there are 2 teams in that region...maybe its time for them to look at what can be done to build that competition?

By Love To Run - 23/11/2011 2:30:11 AM

I think to ask Newcastle to wait for the Central Coast organisation to organise a more local competition before being able to play competative Gridiron is unrealsitic, but I think it does put that orgasnisation(Central Coast Gridiron Association) on notice that they need to get working on their own conference of teams.

I think it only takes a little creativity with the draw and a Newcastle team can be accomadated in the short term. Not having the Mustangs play away to the Cobra's in Newcastle would be a good start. But we have grounds available on the central coast and I assume in Newcastle also Pennant Hills Park and depending on oponants organised/selected to travel to those grounds ie not mustangs, pirates and seahawks I suggest a draw can be worked out.

By LIONSFATBACK_17 - 23/11/2011 2:40:09 AM

The league needs to decide whether the junior competition is a Friday night comp or a Saturday comp because it is unfair to kids and parents to play both. No other teams will give a shit but the current format screwed our kids over last year in that we could only field half a team at Saturday games because alot of our kids have commitments for school sport on Saturdays that they can't get out of. We had to tell 6 players who had worked their asses off all season that they couldn't actually play in their last junior game which happened to be the semi final to make the championship game. Like I said I'm happy for the expansion of the game and and happy to help in any avenue I can but it should not be to the detriment of our junior comp.

Saying it is gnsw not gridiron Sydney is just stupid. You'd be all for a road trip to orange or Bathurst for a game? Retarded

By Jammin - 23/11/2011 2:54:29 AM

G-unit,

Any Forfeit within playing season by team with below minimum playing roster would incur one registered loss during the season
Any Forfeit by a team due to playing conditions, after being deemed playable by Officials would incur two registered losses
If a team who has forfeited is tied with a team with no forfeit then the latter team to be ahead on the ladder

These are just my thoughts. From a fans perspective and ensuring the league continues to grow, forfeits need to be eliminated out of the game as much as possible.

I understand differing reasons, but it does not look good for spectators particulalry new ones , who are intrigued by the sport and are used to watching other more established football codes.

I'm not having a go at the GNSW Executive, but only bringing some food for thought to the table Smile

As Lions53 stated it is an unfortuante thing to happen, however being the best and most competitive league in the country, shouldn't we be asking more from ourselves to ensure this is the absolute last resort?

Just my 2 cents and I sure am glad this is a rare occurance.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 23/11/2011 3:36:17 AM

@ jammin I like the penalties u suggest think it shows a fairness to all

@ fat lion back or Wat Eva ya name was ... Stupid to call it nsw gridiron league ?? I do believe that's Wat it's called . As for your argument of ya juniors having to miss out on some games that's a real shame , but Wat bout the constant travel the sharks n stangs have to do u never here them complain ... To bring up orange n Bathurst bus trips dude seriously have u taken too many hits to the head bit different to trip to newy .. ... I think we should encourage any team that wants to join we should try n help only way to raise profile of our game .. Yea obviously certain issues need to be hashed out with how far some teams are away but why not try n help them not shut them down ... Yea it's about bettering ya own team but ever thought bout helpin others as well ain't that hard

By Luxford - 23/11/2011 10:42:25 AM

Yeah we are called Gridiron NSW but in reality we have always been a Sydney based competition that has allowed Teams from both ACT and NSW country to play in our competition. It is already costing the Sydney based teams alot in time and Petrol to travel. Central Coast and Newcastle should set up their own competition Instead of trying to field a Team for 11 man Football they could probably set up a 4 Team competition for 7 man football and play all of their games in the Newcastle and Central coast Region. In the long Term they will create for themselves a local competition which is more "user friendly" and they will attract more players and Volunteers to their region and be able to eventually split into two seperate competitions.....

In reality if Central Coast have to travel to Sydney to play it is a Minimum of a 7.5hr day for them...... 1.5 hr Travel each way plus expected arrival 1.5 hrs before the game plus 3.0 hr game. This is not encouraging for parents of Juniors or for senior players as it starts to creep into the to hard Basket and takes away from other committments in their lives.....

Let's look at our competitors.........(other Sports) and see what they do...... for Example If I was living in the central coast and was playing Soccer, Rugby League, Rugby Union or basketball etc..... I would probably play all of my games in the Central Coast...... Travel time would probably be 20-30 minutes each way, 1.5hr of game time with pre game being 45 minutes.... so total Time away from home is about 3.5 hrs...... ( a lot more convenient than 7.5 hrs) Now if Newcastle Joins the competition add at least another hour in Travel Time so that becomes an 8.5 hr day just for game day

Now we can sit here and say that the above scenario is unrealistic for us because we do not have enough teams but in reality we are competing for players who have played the traditional Australian Sports and trying to lure them to our sport....... They could potentially like our game but when they realise that game day is a 7.5 hr to 8.5 hr committment on game day then I think that is a real turn off...... especially in this day and age where lots of people still work on saturdays... which means that our sport of gridiron starts to cut into our earnings potential......

I want to see both Newcastle and Central Coast survive but I do not think that 11 man football is the best starting point for them. 11 man Football not only requires more players but it also requires much more Teaching and coaching..... There are more defensive Fronts to block..... more coaching on scheme and Blitze pick ups etc..... Is this really what is best for new comers to our sport????????

We need to make our game more accessible.....

If Rugby League teams can play with 17 Players (13 + a maximum of 4 reserves per team) then we could play 7 man football with rosters of 11 players and start up satelite leagues in more areas of Sydney as well as other areas of NSW...... if History repeats itself Newcastle will enter the competition and get their butts whipped every game and could potentially be gone within Two Years..... i certainly do not want to see that happen...... now we can all point the finger at Newcastle and say that they could not hack it and that is why they quit.... OR we can embrace their situation and find a way to help them so that they are still hear in 20 years time...

I am glad that Newcastle, Central Coast and Wollongong are establishing/reestablishing Football Teams but would prefer to see them set up their own local competitions.... Canberra has 12 Teams (6 Junior and 6 Senior) and they have a population of 350, 000 people......

By Simply Hate - 23/11/2011 11:43:19 AM

What about the following as divisions

Northern

newcastle, central coast, north western

Southern

Wollongong, Sutherland, Bondi

Western

Liverpool, penrith, UTS

Independant (Champions)

Sydney Uni

Assuming the Lions win this year.

By Panda - 23/11/2011 5:58:48 PM

The talk about a team from Newcastle coming into the Leaue is a little premature as it hasn't even been confirmed by the League yet, but given that everyone is getting their panties in a twist about travel times and the like how about this for an observation -

The Newcastle area has its own Rugby League competition and has done for quite a long time. It's not unrealistic to think that at some time down the track there could be a stand alone Colts competition in the Hunter and a Division 1 team in GNSW in much the same way as the Knights play in the NRL.

Given that the biggest challenge facing a new team is quality coaching and administration it's probably unrealistic to suggest that Newcastle could have their own League when they haven't even got their own team as yet.

I understand LionsFatBack and his comments about the Colts. That makes sense. But a Division 1 team is a different kettle of fish in my opinion.

Funnily enough, sometimes I think we as observers need to trust the League Executive to sort the logistics out as best they can. And if we don't like the result then maybe the doomsayers should stand for a position on the Executive and fix the problems...and they can solve the Carbon Tax, Mining Tax, Poker Machine Tax, world hunger, poverty, and the lack of decent Yum Cha restaurants while they're at it! BigGrin

How about we finish 2011 first before solving the problems of 2012?

Dubai

By LIONSFATBACK_17 - 23/11/2011 7:36:17 PM

Division 1 team IS a different kettle of fish. I personally dont give a shit about travelling to play games. but you cant field a division 1 team in our comp without a junior team. hence the concern. juniors are the only way to grow this competition and already being under the stupid age brackets we have is hampering our development enough right now. Adding to the travelling and playing on saturdays is simply another step backwards for the league.

By PPM - 23/11/2011 8:23:18 PM

Sorry to interrupt all the bitching and fighting but just wanted to enquire about this weeks round.

According to the weather bureau this rain is meant to keep up until Sunday with storms on Saturday (but we all know you can't trust them as they constantly get it wrong). Does anyone know if there is a back up astro field or if not what happens if the round was indeed rained out?

By Jammin - 23/11/2011 9:50:44 PM

The more teams in the competition the better i say. Travelling is part and parcel of playing a minority sport.

There are obviously various opportunities that need to be reviewed for the continual growth of this great game. (Boy i'm glad i'm not an executive. Smile

)

Ok I will take the liberty of getting back to football which we all agree on at least.

Pirates vs Mustangs

This game will be interesting. Considering the poor Sydney weather and i expect it to continue, this game will be all about the run and securing the football.

The Pirates look to be back to some sort of normality with their playing roster and a looking forward to the rematch. The Mustangs on the other hand have had a turbulent past week with some internal issues and went underground. It will be intersting to see how they respond.

I'll leave the X's and O's for another time, but the bottom line is that the Pirates will win comfortably and secure a spot in the semi's agains the Outlaws.

UTS vs Predators

A great matchup with two similar teams. UTS looked down and out a few weeks ago until the big win against the Outlaws propped them back up. then it wa a jekkyl and hyde performance by going down to the Preds. Momentum= Zero!

The Preds have nothing to lose being in the playoffs for the first time in their club history and will really be up for the challenge conisidering they know how to beat UTS and have done so.

For some reason i would love to predict a Preds win but the experince of UTS should see them through in poor conditions and facing the Lions in the semi final's.

Good luck to all the teams and play some tough football.

By Dapto 58 - 23/11/2011 10:27:46 PM

i will willingly bet against you there Jammin, the pirates have alot of experience and are a great side, however, the mustangs are coming into a wet game, which means alot of running, which is where the mustangs defence wants the game, not bouncing around, not deep passes but heavy runs which allow for the ball to come lose...and the experience of UTS may come through however, i think the momentum and the ability to prove themselves will help the predators, also speed backs are useful...but in wet, and i mean rain all week til saturday wet, speed doesnt help when you cant cut because there is no traction left which does take away from UTS biggest strength...just my thoughts, id like to be right, you could be right but id love to see two new teams making their big push especially with this weather

By Panda - 23/11/2011 10:55:57 PM

I would think that the weather could play a big factor this weekend, but only in one game.

I actually think that the Mustangs will put a week of controversy behind them (although I'm getting the feeling that we'll never get to hear the whole story) and they'll run away with the game against the Pirates. A difficult week can have the effect of bonding the team together and given that the Mustangs have already beaten the Pirates this year they know what it takes to win and they will do so comfortably regardless of the weather conditions. The Pirates will make a game of it but they are clearly lacking this year and won't make an impression in the Playoffs (yet again).

The weather will have a bigger factor in the other game. If its a (somewhat) dry track the UTS will have the edge with their speed. If its a wet field I think the Predators can do it with their strength. The Predatos may not have Playoff experience but I doubt that will be a factor as they have an experienced coaching staff who seem to have them heading in the right direction. If I was a part of the Predators I'd be praying for a downpour until Saturday.

By Jammin - 24/11/2011 12:01:13 AM

Glad we are back to football speak.

Dapto12: I appreciate your insights. It's interesting that you say your defence prefers to play against the run. The last game you two teams played that I witnessed, It was the Aerial raids that you stopped effectively that killed off anything the Pirates had. come to think of it, you guy's stopped everything except that first TD off the first series.

Panda: You really are a strong beleiver of the Mustangs and have stuck with them all along. Good insights as well taken from another set of eyes. Its interesting that you think UTS are not rated at all on a wet track. UTS still have some power backs that have size thant will need to be stopped up the middle. the Predators coaching staff can only do so much with their experience, however the lack of players playoff experince is what will make the difference here.

All this leads to is a great state of affairs this weekend. I'm already packing my poncho,umbrella, gumboots and my thermals for these ol sea legs to get used to the wild conditions Saturday. BigGrin

By P80 - 24/11/2011 12:02:20 AM

Simply Hate (23/11/2011)

What about the following as divisionsNorthernnewcastle, central coast, north westernSouthernWollongong, Sutherland, BondiWesternLiverpool, penrith, UTSIndependant (Champions)Sydney Uni

Assuming the Lions win this year.

You might want to check your geography buddy... Western would be Predators, Outlaws and Pirates Northern would be UTS, Bondi, sHARKS, Newcastle Southern would be Seahawks, Sydney Uni, Mustangs UTS are from Ultimo (not the west) even if you consider their training ground (homebush), the western conference is the easiest to determine (and i dare say would be toughest to play in)

By Boom Boom Pow - 24/11/2011 12:42:34 AM

P80 - you might want to check your geography, there is no Sydney 'metro' team that is more northern than the Preds. Bondi isn't even in Bondi anymore they are based out of Tempe.

By P80 - 24/11/2011 1:53:54 AM

Id love to see a copy of your may, where Ultimo is 'wester' than dundas....SO i take it on your map Penrith is in the north division, seeing as they are about 700m 'norther' than Dundas...

By P80 - 24/11/2011 1:54:08 AM

*map

By Love To Run - 24/11/2011 4:01:28 AM

I know at this point this is only a distraction as any Newcastle team would have to apply to join and be accepted at February AGM but for arguments sake

Northern Divsion for want of a better name

Outlaws

Predators

Cobras

Sharks and I think it has to be UTS

Southern Division

Lions

Pirates

Mustangs

Seahawks

Raiders

Next year we start on Sept 1 and finish on Dec 15 including the long weekend (yes lets play on it) that leaves us 16 weekends to get the season in.

Each team in each division plays each other twice (8 rounds) and each team in the other division once (5 rounds) total 13 rounds (week ends)

Top team from each division automatically qualifies for play offs 1st and 2nd seed. The next 4 best records then qualify regardless of division. ie both divisions combine to a single ladder as we have now with all the tie break rules we currently run.

That will then leave the play of seeding as the 2 # 1's First and second and seed the remaining 4 accordingly. Same play off format we have this season means 3 rounds of playoffs total 16 weekends. All teams get a minimum 13 games. better value for money (common gripe we pay all this money for 9 or 10 games only).

Teams will need to up their recruitment and level of physical fitness to last the 13 games plus potentially as many as 3 play off games.

The realism that we do not have enough officials means not all will be happy with the number of so called home ground games but at least we will get plenty of football and restrict the amount of travelling all teams would need to do.

Just throwing it out there

By Panda - 24/11/2011 4:30:46 AM

Having conferences based on geography is ineffective as it inevitably leads to one strong and one weak conference. It appears that the Leaue has been structured on an "odds and evens" basis for a number of years now, so why change that?

If we're talking about where is more north than somewhere else Dubai is more north than Penrith but arguably less exotic.

Anyway, who gives a rat's about 2012 at this stage? There is still some unwritten story for 2011.

By Dapto 58 - 24/11/2011 4:44:14 AM

Panda:Yes it was good play from the secondary which helped, however, as we know the passing is not easy in wet, so if we could force the run to go up the middle, it would become a power game...not to question but how fit are power backs??? it would stop the fast play and mean a more one dimensional running game,, yes the same could happen to our offense but...i wont comment except to say that argument could be made. i think if the pirates had to go to a straight power game, it would make it easier for the mustangs...either way i do believe this week of the finals will be incredibly interesting as, any given sunday any team could win, but when you reach the finals, anything can happen, including the biggest upset nobody imagined Wink

By Panda - 24/11/2011 4:52:09 AM

Dapto 12 (23/11/2011)

What are you quoting me for you dribbler? (lol)

I already said the Mustangs would win easily and made no mention of an inside running game or anything like that.

I don't know what you're smoking Dapto12 but maybe you should share it - lol

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 24/11/2011 6:47:37 AM

My bets would be on brain says pirates to be to strong physically n pull away with a win heart says stangs to sneak threw wit a win( think that will shock a few my heart sayin that lol)in the 2nd game not to sure brain says uts with there experience but preds have really came on towards back end of season n with a win vs uts not long ago hold a lil edge but brain still says UTS . Heart says preds .... Either way I think gunna be two great games n I encourage every1 grab da wet coats n ya wellie's & get down n watch em ... Ya know there gunna be crackers

By Panda - 24/11/2011 6:20:39 PM

I think where the Mustangs and to a lesser degree the Predators can win their respective games is up front on both lines.

I think the Mustangs have superior lines on both sides of the ball to the Pirates and this will be the foundation for their win. Apart from their Centre (#58 I think) the Pirates a offensive line is patchy and doesn't seem to work well as a unit. They are big but slow and not very physical.

In contrast the Mustangs seem to work well together, particularly in pass protection and this will work to negate a patchy pass rush from the Pirates defensive line who don't have any real standouts.

The Predators seem to have size and strength on their side compared to the UTS who seem to be smaller it somewhat quicker. As I said in a previous post, the weather could play a big role in this game and if the Predators are allowed to dig in they will triumph.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 24/11/2011 7:55:32 PM

You say pirates don't have any real D-line standouts Wat about big Shannon ? I found pirates hardest D-line all season myself ... But either way gunna be a cracker of a game

By Panda - 24/11/2011 8:27:38 PM

kiwi-outlaws65 (24/11/2011)

You say pirates don't have any real D-line standouts Wat about big Shannon ? I found pirates hardest D-line all season myself ... But either way gunna be a cracker of a game

Sorry kiwi-outlaw I missed your game against the Pirates so I didn't see the fella you're talking about. He must have missed the games I've seen the Pirates play as no one stood out to me when I saw them. Sorry.

By bobcat - 24/11/2011 9:40:28 PM

Panda: Having played with some of the Pirates linemen at the State level and knowing that some have played at the National level (and above), any credibility you had left, just went out the window.

By LIONSFATBACK_17 - 24/11/2011 11:58:21 PM

Panda you must not play inthe league or have been watching for very long. Pirates have a great D line. Um let me think

Shannon lynch #90- wolfpack team, Australian team, Arena league.

Nathan D'Cuhna #59- wolfpack team, Kansas state jayhawks, semi pro league in US.

Dean valesini #97- wolfpack and Australian team

Leon (insert islander surname) - wolfpack and Australia team

With the mustangs depleted with numbers in skilled positions it isn't going to matter how much 'heart' they play with. Mitch at QB means no one to throw to. Can't run all day with brad as fit as he is, he is going to get pounded. Good effort to clinche a playoff spot but that's as far as they will go in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong, but I simply don't see it.

By Coach19 - 25/11/2011 12:17:48 AM

Yeah, whenever I look for those Pirates D-Linemen they are never where they are supposed to be - engaged with the opposing O Line. Instead they are in the opponents backfield. Scandalous.

By Jammin - 25/11/2011 12:25:40 AM

Panda my young friend,

I have watched a few games this season and have to apologise in advance, but you are on your own here. The Pirates D-line can play and are one of the best units in the league. Shannon Lynch as a matter of fact is one of the best D-lineman this country has and i'm sure if he was a few years younger would be another Aussie playing D1 football.

If they didn't do much with the game you saw them play, I would probably say it was the game they lost to the Stangs on a very hot afternoon if i recall.

Natahn D Cunha has dabbled with D-line but i dare say he is an O-lineman. I can guarantee that 99.9% of the league would agree with my post on this one.

I guess your the remaining 0.01%. The one thing nobody can take from you is your honesty, however on this occasion i strongly disagree with your views my young friend.

I know if i was a whippet again playing tailback i would rather face another D-line than the big Pirate one. Smile

By FIRE UP - 25/11/2011 12:45:23 AM

Panda, ill save you by changing the topic...

I assume that the Chester Hill ground is grass? Considering its been raining for 40 days and nights, what is the likelyhood that the grounds will be closed? Is there a back up feild (astro) organised? if not what is the process? Are games postponed till next week? mmmmmm..it will be a long time between games for the Outlaws and Lions if this is the case..

By Luxford - 25/11/2011 1:32:04 AM

you all know that the Mustangs beat the Pirates 30-20....... if it happened once it can happen again...... the Pirates know this and so do the Mustangs.... it just comes down to who gets it done on the day...... Good luck to all the teams....

By Panda - 25/11/2011 2:17:04 AM

Gee, sorry that I had the audacity to have an opinion. Blimey!

By Panda - 25/11/2011 2:17:06 AM

Gee, sorry that I had the audacity to have an opinion. Blimey!

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 25/11/2011 3:28:11 AM

Sorry panda didn't know ya would get jumped on so hard lol guess I know who that big Shannon is now n why he was so hard to stop lol .... Don't be discouraged panda I quite enjoy all season reading yours n jammins posts n predictions

By Outlaw54 - 25/11/2011 6:59:36 PM

Panda do you play football for any team in particular?

I know being a Linebacker, if i had those Pirate D-line guys mentioned playing in front of me, it would make life a lot easier to get in the backfield and not have to focus on any offensive lineman trying to take my head off. Having said that, i'm more than content with my Outlaw D-line bruthas paving the way.

I still think the Pirates are being underestimated though and i know i'll sleep better at night once they're gone for the season. If not eliminated by the mustangs then hopefully by us. They're still a class side and cannot be dismissed so easily.

Anyway, i'm glad i'm not playing in monsoonal conditions saturday. good luck to all the teams.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 25/11/2011 7:29:09 PM

Who is this outlaw 54 bloke ... Do u play bahahahahaha

By Panda - 25/11/2011 8:08:51 PM

I have an opinion (no crime last time I looked) and its based on my observations. I don't care if people from the Pirates have played for the State team, the National team, or for Mars. Based on what I have seen I believe the Mustangs to be a better team.

If I'm wrong based on tomorrows result i will readily admit it...but don't hold your breath because the Mustangs will be too good.

Funny though how no one is getting up me for thinking that the Predators will beat the UTS.

By Outlaw54 - 25/11/2011 8:20:56 PM

Panda (25/11/2011)

No I'm not a player, I'm a spectator, an observer, and I would have thought that i would be the type of person that this sport needs to attract rather than a team affiliated, biased commentator that often appears on this site.

I have an opinion (no crime last time I looked) and its based on my observations. I don't care if people from the Pirates have played for the State team, the National team, or for Mars. Based on what I have seen I believe the Mustangs to be a better team.

If I'm wrong based on tomorrows result i will readily admit it...but don't hold your breath because the Mustangs will be too good.

Funny though how no one is getting up me for thinking that the Predators will beat the UTS.

Panda,

I'm not having a go at you and I'm glad you are an unbiased spectator who attends our games. Yes i agree with you 100% that we need to attract more people to the game.

You have a right to an opinion which you have expressed throughout the course of the season, but on this occasion I disagree..nothing wrong with that though.

As other ppl have posted i do enjoy the commentary by you and others each week. As for your comment regarding bias, out of curiosity who are you referring too cause i think i have had too many hits to the head over the years to pick up on any of your subtleties?

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 25/11/2011 8:41:06 PM

Again who is this outlaws 54 lol ... & give it to him panda I heard he still sleeps with teddy bears n is a Justin burner fan lol

By Old WarHorse - 25/11/2011 10:53:31 PM

there has been only 1 Outloos game that I have not seen, and that was there first one vs UTS Gaylords, and all the other games I have not spotted Outloo No 54 once.

By Dave Allen - 25/11/2011 11:17:33 PM

So the games are moved to astro turf...i guess that means that the Pirates will get the forfeit

By Love To Run - 25/11/2011 11:26:22 PM

Dave what have you heard that we have not?????

By Dapto 58 - 25/11/2011 11:36:39 PM

Pennant Hills is a great astro turf ground to play on, looking forward to this weekend haha yea boi!!

oh and SMDDA

By jess - 25/11/2011 11:36:55 PM

Per NSW website:

Games at Pennant Hills Hockey

Pirates vs Mustangs at 1pm

Preds vs UTS at 4pm

By Monkeyboy - 26/11/2011 1:08:57 AM

Dave Allen (25/11/2011)

So the games are moved to astro turf...i guess that means that the Pirates will get the forfeit

Probably.

Forget to change your password Dave and log onto the wrong account. Is oldwarhorse you as well?

By Lions53 - 26/11/2011 7:30:42 AM

Dave Allen (25/11/2011)

So the games are moved to astro turf...i guess that means that the Pirates will get the forfeit

That's a funny post ... I tip my hat to you sir

By rt75 - 26/11/2011 11:42:32 PM

Pirates 6 - mustangs 0 at 2nd qtr

Score was breakaway run for 50yd

final
pirates 36-14 mustangs

By Big Red - 27/11/2011 12:06:41 AM

I'll let it go and won't make a comment about the difference of Pennant Hills (Or even the ones under the flight path) vs UWS fields.

Sounds like it's a good game, What I wouldn't give to be there right now Sad

All I can say is Go Mustangs.

By G-unit - 27/11/2011 2:58:48 AM

Pirates 36 defeat Mustangs 14

By rt75 - 27/11/2011 3:12:02 AM

UTS 13-12 preds at halftime

close game after UTS came out strong with 13 (7 off blocked punt) then preds fired back and UTS have looked flat since.

UTS 19-26 preds in 4th
UTS 27-26 preds with about 3 mins left

final
UTS defeats preds 27-26

By Falcon - 27/11/2011 4:22:53 AM

UTS convert a 2-pt conversion with 2:24 reaming and held the Predators on their subsequent drive to win 27-26.

By Panda - 27/11/2011 4:39:37 AM

Okay, okay, I know...humble pie time (again)!!

I made the long trek to Pennant Hills this afternoon to see the Mustangs and Pirates and I'll admit I was wrong and that the Pirates were good enough to win.

No doubt the Mustangs will say that they were missing players, etc, etc, but guys seriously, when you have two chances at a 1st and Goal inside your opponents 10 and you score nothing, zilch, nada you know you're in trouble. I was on the hill behind the Mustangs and the spirit was great but squandered opportunities and about a million turnovers makes winning any game hard let alone a Playoff game.

All being said though the Mistangs did have a decent year and made the Playoffs so things look good for the future.

Congrats to the Pirates although I suspect that they wouldn't be overly happy with the effort. They will have to play MUCH better next week to beat the Outlaws, it a week is a long time in sport so who's to say?

Sounds like the other games was a good one though. Pity I didn't hang around!

By pompino - 27/11/2011 5:39:50 AM

^^^

And wasn't the sun bloody warm on Mustangs side of the field!!!!! Reminded me of playing in Queensland.

The UTS v Predators game was great to watch. Some big hits, great runs and a thrilling ending. The Pred's QB wasn't contained that well at times as he ripped off a couple of very long runs, including one for a touchdown. Well done to UTS though for coming up big when it was needed.

I've watched games for the half the season and I'm looking forward to next week. It does make me miss playing though.

By Old WarHorse - 27/11/2011 5:47:52 AM

Well great to see the mustains take the field today, so much for taking last week off to get over some injuries!

Gaylords beat the latte set,

Next week will be great;

Syd Uni cock smokers vs the UTS Gaylords, cock smokers to make it what 29 wins over the Gaylord's? That will be another $50 for Dumb Allen.

Penrith Outloos vs WS Poorats, will be the game of the week, the winner here will be the side in the pink socks.

Good luck to all four teams, I will be watching!

By stang64 - 28/11/2011 7:24:25 AM

Old WarHorse (26/11/2011)

Well great to see the mustains take the field today, so much for taking last week off to get over some injuries!

Gaylords beat the latte set,

Next week will be great;

Syd Uni cock smokers vs the UTS Gaylords, cock smokers to make it what 29 wins over the Gaylord's? That will be another $50 for Dumb Allen.

Penrith Outloos vs WS Poorats, will be the game of the week, the winner here will be the side in the pink socks.

Good luck to all four teams, I will be watching!

And this my friends is why we do not write posts when we are on our second week of mad monday silly sunday.

By Coach19 - 28/11/2011 6:13:24 PM

Is anyone disturbed that a certain individual has become so much a part of this forum that someone is using 'Dave Allen' as a handle... and no one seems to think it strange?

By Jammin - 28/11/2011 7:00:35 PM

I like the right to express opinion as everybody else on this forum. It seems certain indivduals take advantage of that and hide behind anonimity while having a dig at certain individuals and clubs.

Some great football on the weekend, particualrly the last game. All clubs should be proud of how they played or for the ones bowing out what they have achieved this season. I for one cannot wait to see two local derby's for a spot in the championship game.

Congratulations to the Mustangs for a fantastic season. What you guy's have achieved over the course of the season has been amazing. i hae enjoyed watching you all play.

Also congratulations to the Predators for making the Playoffs for the first time in club history. I take my hat off to you Coach Hill for getting your boys to the playoffs. It's a shame that one point was the catalyst, however football is a game of inches.

I think the Pirates are still in it with a fighting chance as well as UTS. It will be interesting to read predictions for the next two games. I'll only be reading the informative posts and ignoring the slandering ones with no substance whatsoever.

All season long, i have been an advocate for good content. Who knows, one day we may be reading about our great league in the newspapers rather than on forums. Yes its just a dream for now Smile

@ Panda my young friend. this old duck was correct in his predictions Smile

I don't get too much right so just a tiny friendly gloat from me.

My breakdown of next weeks matches to come soon.

By Homer - 29/11/2011 12:51:30 AM

Coach19 (28/11/2011)

Is anyone disturbed that a certain individual has become so much a part of this forum that someone is using 'Dave Allen' as a handle... and no one seems to think it strange?

I for one find this agree with your sentiment there Coach19

By Monkeyboy - 29/11/2011 1:15:36 AM

Homer (28/11/2011)

Coach19 (28/11/2011)

Is anyone disturbed that a certain individual has become so much a part of this forum that someone is using 'Dave Allen' as a handle... and no one seems to think it strange?

I for one find this agree with your sentiment there Coach19

I think most on here sort of ignore what he has to say. Without ever putting anything constructive and only saying how many times he has beaten UTS and the self admitted poster under many aliases strirring trouble, I woul dhazzard a guess and say he is using his own name as well as old warhorse.

By Luxford - 29/11/2011 1:52:13 AM

Well winning the championship is the big focus now but we have just lost a Colts Team the UTS Spartans are no longer... let's hope we have that one day we can actually write about how great our league is..

By tmpb - 29/11/2011 2:52:26 AM

Good luck to all teams in the 'real' play-offs weekend. Hopefully UTS can make a game of theirs, but I doubt it. PC & WS will batter each other senseless, then a fresh SU will conquer whoever meets them and grab their 9th NSW Championship in a row. What a Karmichael Hunt.

By P80 - 29/11/2011 7:11:09 PM

tmpb (28/11/2011)

Real Playoffs?!?! What are you trying to get at tmpb? Last week was pointless?

By tmpb - 29/11/2011 7:24:47 PM

fair go, Panda.

We (I used to) pad up of a weekend because we love the game. We don't get paid to do this, and we certainly don't expect to be criticised in a public forum for our display. It ain't the pros.

People of all abilities should be welcomed and attempt to do their best.

By Panda - 29/11/2011 8:30:37 PM

Yes fair call Coach19 and tmpb. I was trying to add some objective commentary but I do see the point you're both making. My apologies.

By ThinkSimple - 29/11/2011 8:32:19 PM

studs and duds...

In a game of big men and even bigger hits i seriously doubt that a little negative feedback from panda is going to have those players crying in their helmets.

harden the f#!k up people.

panda, keep the posts and the opinions coming. makes this forum a better place.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 29/11/2011 9:52:01 PM

Yea well said think simple ... I agree totally ... Lads this a open forum u may agree or disagree with Wat ppl say but the point is every1 is open to voice there opinion, although I do here Wat coach19 is saying I do think more important is to be able to voice 1's opinion ... Well play to the preds on ya season unlucky in the end was a top game to watch .. N yea well done stangs 24 good game n to stangs 64 ya lil chubby stinka good game lol ...

By Panda - 30/11/2011 3:35:05 AM

Kumbaya

By Invictus - 30/11/2011 7:51:19 PM

Someone call the Police - our antipodean cousin is murdering English!!!! AND (poor grammar I know) there's a fair amount of GBH being committed by others - jeez people the occasional typo is fine, but really.

I'm excluding a certain fat little man from all of this because I'm taking the nature route rather than nurture.......

Anyway, time to play ladies - all the best to the Pirates and Outlaws - 15 quarters of overtime in a 3-3 game would be ideal quite frankly.

Dave Allen, our arrangement is about to be zero'd out.

By tmpb - 30/11/2011 8:53:54 PM

P80 (29/11/2011)

tmpb (28/11/2011)

Real Playoffs?!?! What are you trying to get at tmpb? Last week was pointless?

Not pointless. there is obviously a reason for a 6-team playoff format in a 9 team league for it to be used.

rather, my comment is more in regards that the system shouldn't really allow teams with losing records a chance to compete in the post-season when the purpose of a regular season with the single table format used is to essentially 'separate the wheat from the chaff'. i'm all for a 6-team NFL-style post season format...........if there are at least 12 teams in the league. it's harder to miss the post-season than to make it in the current setup.

By ThinkSimple - 30/11/2011 9:07:28 PM

@tmpb, great point re: post season.

basic maths really.

By tmpb - 30/11/2011 9:14:10 PM

ThinkSimple (29/11/2011)

opinions are great and panda has livened up the forum this season with his analysis. singling out certain players as 'duds' on an internet forum when their crime is to turn up on weekends just to have a go as amateurs is another matter. There are always going to be a wide variability in abilities in such a league. a player doesn't need to be personally singled out.

perhaps, im old-school. i haven't embraced the social media norms where any joe blow can just log onto a forum and personally write off someone else for anything in anonymity. i'm not criticising Panda with that observation. just that it seems to be the thing that people do these days without thinking twice about it.

By ThinkSimple - 30/11/2011 11:52:17 PM

@tmpb

For me, there are 2 issues that need to be addressed in relation to the "studs and duds" issue.

1, is that kind of commentary valid in this medium and...

2, what is the intent behind any such "duds" commentary.

As i see it, "Studs and duds" is a well known part of the commentary on our game in the media.

Seeing as we dont have any media coverage, this forum serves as part of that function meaning that "studs and duds" is a perfectly valid form of opinion in this medium.

In regards to intent, i believe that negative comments about an individual given without mailce are pefectly fine. I do not beleive that panda offers any of his opinions with malicious intent. He is simply calling it how he sees it and is sharing with the community. That is exactly the point of forums.

I would suggest however, that panda is unlikely to do another studs and duds review given the reaction and his aplogetic response to said reaction. For mine, this is a great shame and the forum will be poorer for it.

TS

By OB1 - 1/12/2011 12:16:00 AM

Any "Studs & Duds" commentary would be far more acceptable if the author was known.

Unitl then, IMO individual commentary should be kept to oneself as it is highly defamatory and inflamatory and worthless unless the author has any respect.

By Panda - 1/12/2011 3:16:57 AM

I've done mea culpa what else do you want?

Maybe I should just look at the world through rose colored glasses.

Maybe I should just talk things up like my Mustangs counterparts.

Maybe I should just shut the **** up and not bother at all.

I didn't realize that someone had to have a certain pedigree in the sport, be a player (or ex-player), or provide their home address and telephone number to have an opinion.

By tenacious_d - 1/12/2011 4:14:30 AM

Don't be such a sensitive boy Panda.

By Old WarHorse - 1/12/2011 8:55:17 AM

Panda, I think what you say here is pretty good a fair.

Game 1:

PC Outloos vs WS Poorats, this game will go into OT.

Game 2:

Sydney Cocksmokers vs UTS Gaylords.

Gaylords have not hope in this game as they have no heart when it comes to the playing the Cocksmokers, they will roll over and get pumped by 30>

By LoneDingo - 1/12/2011 9:34:55 AM

Look sir, troll.

And one not even smart enough to come up with 'alternative' names that are remotely witty. I would generally add something here to insult you but apart from the fact I think it would go straight over your head, I can't find a group to use in a similie that wouldn't be more of an insult to said group than it would be to you. So just continue on and we'll all keep ignoring the posts that even a 5 year old could write something more mature than.

By stang64 - 1/12/2011 11:30:43 AM

Panda, why do you hate us so? I think you should come play for us ( Open Arms) so you can talk us up.

Its good to see the forums coming to life, i mean with something good to read, i would love to see write ups in a paper….. any paper really and jammin would to me be a great candidate for it.

Panda has also had some really good comments and lets be honest if we all agreed the world would be a boring place to be.

Don’t be attacking the people who have taken the time to make a write up, Keep it up guys this is the only way to get the sport noticed more. it only take’s one person to start a movement.

If you don’t agree with them how about write why you don’t agree with them not a simple comment like your s#%t and you your wrong. Have a reason so we can all see why you think that and how you came to that conclusion.

Can anyone tell me where or when the A & B list will come out for state?

Good luck to all teams this weekend, Play Safe hit Hard.

By Invictus - 1/12/2011 5:56:05 PM

Jeez, let's get over the Panda's Studs and Duds listing - if he wants to call some players out on this forum then why not. I'm sure his "studs" had a smug glow about them so the praise is accepted but not the criticism. Personally, who ever our bamboo munching friend is, if he called me out after a game where I basically sucked ass, then I might be sufficiently PO'ed to actually try harder and become a better player. Sure I'd have the sh*ts about it, but lets face it there are about 10 regular readers here (plus the gnome's many alter ego's - I'm going to start calling it Tara), so it's hardly a widely distributed offence.

So you go Panda, if you're odd enough to travel to the netherlands to watch some fat pasty men trundling around a sports paddock wearing lyrca you're crazier then the proverbial and are more than entitled to have your say in my book.

Same goes for Jammin - I'm voting THAT guy MVP of the league as he's a real fan of the game.

Anyway, Outlaws/Pirates will be well worth the admission money, whilst I'm staying silent on the other game. I will say I plan to secrete a few of those hotdogs are near the Empire's sideline to distract a certain cuboid humanoid.

By ThinkSimple - 1/12/2011 8:09:41 PM

I know this is getting a week ahead of things but is there a traditional ground that the 'tah bowl is played or will that be determined after this weeks games based on the results??

Crazy busy this time of year so trying to plan ahead to make sure i can get to the game.

By What? - 1/12/2011 9:17:32 PM

Outlaws V Pirates

No doubt this is the game to watch. Both team's D are tough and able to stuff the run with large DL's and well trained LB's. However I believe which ever team get's their passing going will be the winner. Both teams have new QB's at position, but I feel the edge in the passing game goes to the Pirates with their experienced WR core.

If the Pirates can play consistent and aggresive with the D and their OL can create running lanes and give the QB enough time is passing situations then we should see the Pirates at the Waratah bowl.

On the other hand Coach Gaffey has his team playing way above what they have played in years passed. I'm sure their coming into this game fired up, and when these two teams meet last time they had a never say die attitude which got them the win. The OL must create holes for Stuart who can make big yards if given the opportunity. But diversity is what will win it on their O. You can't rely on 22 to much as the one dimensional game will be easy to shut down. If they can get a large FB to get a couple of dives and the passing game going against a suspect DB unit, they could come out the winners.

I find it hard to pick a winner as both teams are tough. However my gut tells that if the Pirates can lift themselves and stay consistent then they will come away with the win. I won't even bother guessing how much.

Lions V Gators

For a while I have believed they the Lions are no more gifted players then the rest of the league. Where they out strip everybody is in desire, determination, commitment to be the best, physical conditioning and patience. These are the keys to their 9 years of dominance and success. As well as some very good coaching. While the Gators have a very good Coach in Rocco, I feel the other areas is where UTS may have as well to a certain extent but not close to the Lions. This is the reason Lions will win and it could also end up a disaster for the Gators.

The lions are focussed and hard to faze. Teams have come out in the past and taken the lead but they never panic. They wait for their opportunity and then pounce and start to remove the heart from their opponents. This is confidence and poise, which comes from developing a winning culture. They have a solid OL they can make it very hard for any pass rush or run defence, a QB that not only can find his targets in the air but if his RB's are maked he will run it himself. They have a couple of solid receiver's who are good at making yards after the catch. But as I have said before this will come down to the culture anc focus of the club.

The Gator's have down it tough this year. Apparently they have suffered a large injury toll that has effected crucial members of their roster. They been playing tough the last couple of rounds and have stayed stout, but they also allowed teams that should not have gotten close either beat them or come to close. I feel the second cancel's the first's out. They do have a talented roster but from watching them over the years I don't think they have the same intangiable's that the Lion's do. If they are going to win they will need to be tough, unforgiving, patient and dominate the Lions from the start and extinguish any fight back the Lion's mount. Sorry, I don't see this happening.

The Lions to win by 30 or more and the Gator's to start to slide out of the top four for many season's to come.

By Gaff - 2/12/2011 2:45:43 AM

im just going to come out and say it:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They%27re

There!

By rt75 - 2/12/2011 8:24:47 AM

On a side note away from playoffs. Wolfpack training squad has been announced. http://gridironnsw.org.au/2011/12/01/nsw-wolfpack-candidates-2/

Congrats to those guys selected to go out for Wolfpack.

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By Jammin - 2/12/2011 8:04:44 PM

Invictus: I knew you'd come around eventually. Thanks for the compliments, but i'll leave the MVP stuff to those people who work tirelessly for their clubs. I'm just a rotund blog writer Smile

I've been sitting back reading thees posts and i ahve to say they are quite interesting to read. My young frined Panda has divided opinion on his Studs and Duds post. I see where he is coming from but do not necessarily agree with it, but each to their own. At least Panda has been a regular and spoken his mind this season.

My big frustration is that anonymous person jumping on the bandwagon at the back end of a great fought season and giving game reports, including insulting clubs and individuals. I choose to ignore anything that comes out of this persons mouth. If i choose to be anonymous, then i will not insult anybody who does not have the right to reply face to face, but hey i'm just an old school kind of guy anyway.

Ok on to football.

I have had a look at the Wolfpack selection sheet? I don't understand it to be honest with you all. We have an A and B list. My thoughts are the 'A' list players are the standouts who have played this season and have shown the form to merit that selection? So why is it that some names on the list do not fit into this category.

If a player was out injured no matter his ability, i would have thought he would merit a 'B' selection if the coaches know of his abilities and work his way through. It just seems to me as an outsider, that there is some slight preferences over others.

I have also noticed some players getting picked in positons that they have not played during the course of the season?? Obviously some players have played at the state level elsewhere, but does that not take the foucs off specialist psoition players not getting looked at this season and beyond?

Lastly, i understand that the Lions will have the majority of the selections, however i did notice the Outlaws who finished 2nd did not have many players picked? Surely more players deserved to be selected from that team over UTS and particularly Seahawks players who finished much lower. (Please help me out here as there may be obvious reasons)

I do congratulate all the players on selection and will be cheering for you all. As a fan of the game, these are the questions running through my mind. I do not mean to insult or demean anybody's selection. Great to see Mustangs and Predators picked as well.

Ok on to Football

UTS vs Lions

Lions victory

Pirates vs Outlaws

Outlaws

I will explain later

By Monkeyboy - 2/12/2011 8:41:29 PM

Jammin, totally agree with everything you said about the state team selections. "Players will make the team on merit – not seniority or age." Don't think so. Geez, some of those Outlaws guys can feel a bit peeved off. I know, I know. It is about the team and the Outlaws had a good season and they are all doing well for their team. But to only have 3 guys in the A squad. They are obviously not held in high regard by the selectors. Then players chosen in positions they have not even played in during any part of this season. There probably should have been more emphasis on the "we will be choosing the best football players available."

Well done to the players and coaches chosen. Hope they all work their asses off and bring back the championship with them.

This is my opinion.

By P80 - 2/12/2011 9:38:01 PM

Monkeyboy (2/12/2011)

I believe the coaches mentioned that it was designed around players that fit the scheme, more so than best players per position... I am not defending the selection process, nor am i dissing it, however i believe that was a factor as i know the Wolfpack like to run a spread offense for example, and from what ive heard outlaws are a run heavy offense (however i know they have made strides in the passing game)

By Jammin - 2/12/2011 11:18:07 PM

kiwi-outlaws65 (2/12/2011)

Thanks jammin n monkey boy for ya thoughts on myself n our teammates maybe should have more selections in wolf pack cheers .... But I can honestly say all any outlaw is concerned bout n thinking bout is 4pm this sat n our game vs pirates ... Then should fortune favor us .. Payback to the lions

Kiwi-Outlaws65??? It'sGood to see your focus is on the semi final. I wasn't referring to you in particular regarding selection though?? maybe it was Monkeyboy. I dont mean to be rude in any way, but there are certain individuals from your team that merit selection. IMO at least another couple of receivers, offensive/defensive lineman and linebackers.

Just reviewing the candidates list again, there are some players on there who havent even suited up all season??If this rotund individual was still playing, I would be greatly dissapointed if I did not merit selection over somebody who did that has not even suited up all season long no matter how good they may be. We may as well go to open trials then.

Anyway all i am is a mere spectator who enjoys the game but also like the spirit of fairness particularly in a minority sport. I know Coach Dunne and coaching staff will get the best out of the final roster. People may choose to shoot me down for my thoughts on this, however i have been around the game long enough to add my worth. Smile

I would like to add a few points to the games this weekend

Pirates vs Outlaws

Pirates Keys to victory

Pirates need to go back to pass. if they run a lot, they will lose
Spreads and screens are crucial
No huddle Offense
Offensive line giving the QB time to make decisions
Defense stopping RB Stuart Etcell

Outlaws keys to Victory

Offensive line run blocking
QB Option
Defensive Pass coverage cover 2 and 3

UTS vs Lions

UTS Keys to victory

Play the clock
Short passing game
Spread Offense (dig routes and out routes)

Lions Keys to Victory

No Huddle Offense
Run blocking
Overload Defense

Good luck to all teams this weekend and i hope the monsoon stays away Smile

By LIONSFATBACK_17 - 3/12/2011 1:31:31 AM

As far as wolfpack selection goes. I can't speak on behalf of either O or D coaches but I do know that the coaching staff has been at a vast majority of games and watched an abundance of film to make their decisions. They have also approached players and asked them flat out if they are keen for wolfpack. So don't just assume because certain names are absent that it's simpl because they were not picked. Surprisingly, these guys know what they are doing. Some players may simply not fit the scheme they are planning on implementing. Guys should be upset but should use it as fuel to train harder and when players drop out due to cost etc be ready to make an impression.

By Lions53 - 3/12/2011 2:20:40 AM

LIONSFATBACK_17 (2/12/2011)

I can only echo and support this statement ... don't fester on forums bitching, all the coaches have been doing extensive review of each player in each team which includes a star rating systems on each player. If your not happy with any selection talk directly with the coaches and seek feedback. This will let players know of their areas for improvement and also let the coaches know that they are interested which may open the door other oppertunities down the track (ie injuries or unable to pay, etc).

PS UTS has never beaten Syd Uni ...

By TacoBell - 3/12/2011 3:33:51 AM

For my money, I say Pirates will beat Outlaws - The Pirates were unlucky in their loss to the Outlaws earlier in the year and the Outlaws will get the big-game wobbles.

And, as much as it pains me to say, there is no way that I can realistically see UTS beating the Lions. To create a 70-something point turn around from their previous game too like fantasy/sci-fic (unrealisic plots with unbelievable coincidences to create a wishful thinking ending) for my liking. Sure that have a few players back from injury, but Aaron Rodgers isn't one of those players

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 3/12/2011 5:05:31 AM

So taco bell .. Pirates were unlucky Ay ?? Does that go for every team we beat seeing we only loss twice all season ... N u say big game wobbles shows u have no idea or a clue about any of the outlaw players or there coaches I can promise u it is all we are focused on not the tah bowl or who we may play but we are o Lu focused on pirates n Wat we have to do to get the win again ... Luck it ain't it's good coaching n determination n commitment for 1 another

By TacoBell - 3/12/2011 7:30:59 AM

kiwi-outlaws65 (2/12/2011)

It's certainly not writing skills that's gotten you this far, and the wobbles refers to the D-line's wastes, so I guess I do have some clue about the players

Having said that, tough talking bad spelling doesn't make me change my mind. It's a Pirates/Syd Uni final

By Gaff - 3/12/2011 7:53:26 AM

More Trolls than a river full of bridges

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 3/12/2011 7:55:48 PM

Plainly put taco bell ya just a dick ... N like it has been said b4 ya comments ain't worth shit cause ya just 1 of those lil scared boys hiding on ya computer n behind a fake name ... N your comments 2 our top D-line boys makes me think if ya a player u must be 1 of the parrots the boys ran over the top of this season ....ya a absolute parrot buddy

By Invictus - 3/12/2011 9:20:03 PM

Settle down there kiwi-outlaw- save your energy for the game. You'll be seeing a lot of Pirate #90 so have plenty of Weetabix - it's going to a fun day out at the airport for all of us!!!

Have to confess I'm looking forward to the games - no disrespect to the losers of last week's games (actually, why have I come over all nice this morning) but it's down to the big 4 (bit like the bean counting market but I digress somewhat).

Outlaws v Pirates should be one hell of a game - don't know who's going to win and frankly don't care (mainly because either team will lose to UTS in the final the following week). Both teams have done great rebuilding jobs, and seem to be back to their best and are certainly not easy beats either way. I think old Stuey Etchell is going to be a difference maker if he can get going. That bloody #1 for the Outlaws is also one hell of a player so I think Outlaws may just have the weapons on O to take the game out, if the Pirates D allows them. I think which ever D can play the width of the field better will have the greatest chance of success but it should be a close one. Given the Outlaws have COTY on the sidelines, I'll pick them.

Can't comment on the UTS v that other team game, other than it's game time bitches, let's see what the outcome is.

Re some of the comments on the Wolfpack squad selection - I think some of those Seahawks O line fatties are worthy of their position. O-line play has improved a lot over the past couple of seasons, so the Sydney Uni mob no longer stand out so much individually but are still ahead in terms of cohesion - pricks!! Looking at the A-list and B-list fatties, the A-list are the more athletic (in sense that a whopper is a health food in comparison to a double whopper...) so would seem to fit the scheme best.

But enough of this reasonableness - before Wolfpack, it's time to knock the snot out of each other over the next couple of weeks and see who's left standing at the summit. For all the gnomic pronouncements, I think change is on the air.......

Jammin' hope to speak to you at the game - if I can take time off bagging Seahawks#85 for his impossibly bright zebra uniform (should be an OMO commercial!).

By pompino - 3/12/2011 10:33:06 PM

Looking forward to heading out and watching today's games. Would REALLY like it if Gridiron NSW actually got grounds where the spectators (all 14 of us) can get a better view of the action. Best ground so far for that was the Central Coast ground at Woy Woy.

I haven't seen much from the Outlaws (only one game) but I was very impressed by their running game, the size of the guys playing and they were very physical. The weakness I saw was the Qb (#5), but with the way Etcell(?) was running it did not matter.

The Pirates are similar and have two very good runners. Again I think QB is not their strongest position. It is sure to be a great game between two very strong teams. I think the Outlaws will pull it out.

I've seen plenty from the Lions, including the game against the Pirates where they won on a TD reception that the receiver got away with pass interference. That was probably the best game of the season and the Lions seemed a bit stunned that 1, someone had finally scored on them and 2, that the opposition was going toe to toe. But they are a great team with loads of quality players.

UTS played a great game last week, including a great punt return for touchdown off a 5 yard punt (bad special teams by the Pred's, just because they call poison doesn't mean you should stand and watch!) but I can't see them getting past the Lions. The end around running at the start of the Pred's game produced large amounts of yardage. # 9 and #21 are great runners. If the UTS can win it's with a ground control game (I think) ala the Giants v the Bills in Super Bowl 25.

A dynasty is great but in my first year of watching I'd like to see someone other than the Lions in the Waratah Bowl. So I'm hoping it will be a UTS v Outlaws game next week.

Good luck to all the players today. I look forward to watching two great games.

By tenacious_d - 3/12/2011 11:20:15 PM

kiwi-outlaws65 (3/12/2011)

Hello Outlaw 65, you must forget the points you were making not a fortnight ago about this being an open forum. Taco Bell is entitled to his opinion on the Outlaws D-Line, along with any other D-Line he cares to critique.

I suggest you practice what you preach or go hide in the corner and mumble to yourself.

By Coach's Favourite - 4/12/2011 12:43:05 AM

Can somebody please teach Kiwi-Illiterate-#-Who Gives a Sh*t how to either spell or use spell check.
You're posts are almost as irritating as watching Michael J Fox try to act like a mannequin.

By Coach19 - 4/12/2011 12:51:23 AM

Due to an oversight there were three players left off the Wolfpack list. Thought I'd mention it here:

B

Lions DL Chady Aoun

Raiders DB Dane Robertson

Raiders DB Harry Tsavaras

The scouting will continue throughout the post-season, so additional invites may be sent out.

Good luck to all teams today.

By Falcon - 4/12/2011 7:44:48 AM

Final scores:

Pirates 36 Outlaws 7

Lions 42 UTS 9

By TacoBell - 4/12/2011 8:56:11 PM

kiwi-outlaws65 (2/12/2011)

So I say again, the Outlaws were lucky to win in the earlier rounds against the Pirates, as the evidence yestderday demonstrates

By TacoBell - 4/12/2011 9:00:22 PM

kiwi-outlaws65 (3/12/2011)

Kiwi-outlaws65, did you even take the field yesterday? I saw you on the sideline for what looked like all of the game yesterday. I hope you not one of these "scared boys hiding on ya computer", are you an "absolute parrot buddy"?

By Lions53 - 4/12/2011 9:56:00 PM

28 times Syd Uni has played UTS ... you know the rest ... most importantly no song was sung last night (came one of the other teams please let me know what it sounds like?)

By Panda - 4/12/2011 10:24:48 PM

kiwi-outlaws65 (2/12/2011)

Kiwi-outlaw the problem with making comments on forums such as this (as I've found to my regret) is that they have a habit of coming back to bite you in the proverbial.

Clearly there was no luck involved yesterday.

Congratulations to the two winning teams yesterday and best of luck for the Waratah Bowl, it promises to be a great game.

By tmpb - 4/12/2011 10:29:10 PM

TacoBell (4/12/2011)

kiwi-outlaws65 (2/12/2011)

So I say again, the Outlaws were lucky to win in the earlier rounds against the Pirates, as the evidence yestderday demonstrates

c'mon mate.

Pirates won when it mattered is all. They have a history of this against the majority of teams (excluding the Lions) over the last few seasons.

A game is a game. A team that wins is better on the day or night.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 4/12/2011 10:49:28 PM

Taco bell lad u r a gronk ... Ya can keep trying to diss me on here cause obviously ya have no life, your just 1 of those poor old fools that live by themselves with a bunch of cats dreaming about other ppls life's ... Yea buddy ya correct i wasnt on the field much only about a 1/4 all up due to i have a torn acl in my knee & a shoulder prob good now footy is over i can get my op's ... And yes the pirates were the better team YESTERDAY & were the hungrier team that's football.. In saying that I'm proud as heck of all my outlaw teammates & how well we have done this season sure a bit disappointed with the finish but hey that's footy, I'm proud as heck to run such a great football club & all we achieved on & off the field this season.. I say a big congrats to tuck n his boys from the pirates n wish y'all the best in the tah bowl & same goes to fady & his crew from the lions can't wait to watch the game... I think most clubs had good seasons & well done to them all especially preds ... As for parrots like you buddy I'll just leave you to play with ya cats & dream you were some one important while I'll go rest up & enjoy the time off with my partner & kids ... Merry Xmas to ya taco bell hope santa brings ya a life

P.s. sorry for the spelling mistakes n bad grammar lol my chubby fingers are 2 big for these damn smart phones lol

Have a good Xmas to all the players & officials from nsw gridiron

By bobcat - 4/12/2011 10:50:09 PM

TacoBell (4/12/2011)

kiwi-outlaws65 (2/12/2011)

So I say again, the Outlaws were lucky to win in the earlier rounds against the Pirates, as the evidence yestderday demonstrates

Whilst it is all water under the bridge now, this is accurate. The Pirates defence played well enough to force a shutout in the earlier meeting. Turnovers from the Pirates offence and some officiating blunders allowed the Outlaws to get on the scoreboard in week eight. There was no such luck yesterday. The Pirates however will need some luck next week as the Lions performances in the second half of games this season have been flawless and that is where they will look to take home the championship.

By Panda - 4/12/2011 11:55:01 PM

The thing about any sport, and this one is a good example, is that every team in the finals except one will finish their season with a loss. That's the facts. That doesn't mean that a losing team hasn't had a good year it simply means they didn't win on the day.

But given that football is unlike baseball, basketball, or hockey where they play a Final Series, you have to fire on the day. The winners move on and the losers have a drink and pat each other on the back and promise that next year will be different.

And kiwi-outlaw...squawk

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 5/12/2011 12:17:44 AM

This comp is a great comp wit a lot of good blokes a lot that I class as my friends the only 1 thing that I think is a shame is the few ppl on this forum that have so much to say but yet hide behind fake persona's & feel the need to criticize & try to diss ppl(guilty myself on 1 or 2 occasions I apologize ) It shows that you are not much of a man but merely lil cowardly boys who hide behind there computer ... I don't hide on here every1 knows my name is daniuso & I'm the prez of the outlaws & i stand by all my remarks & will always stick up for & stand by my outlaw teammates , but for those who try to bait or diss ppl behind said fake names seriously grow a set if you have any spine at all or merely any remnance of ya manhood intact don't hide say it to 1's face or better still come down to my family tattoo parlor in penrith & let me ink ya up with a little cat right on your heart & ya can show the world how cowardly you are ..... To all the others congrats on a great year now on to recovery n surgery lol n suit up for the rugby season .... OUTLAWS 2012 ooooh yeeeaaah !!!!!

By Panda - 5/12/2011 12:32:21 AM

I agree with you kiwi-outlaw as you'll see if you read my post. My squawk was in case you thought I was a parrot.

People shouldn't come here trying to bait other people...but sometimes it works eh?

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 5/12/2011 12:58:56 AM

Wasnt actually referring to you panda sorry bro...I've actually enjoyed yours n jammins posts this season not sure if ya a player or spectator like jammin but like his your team & game review's I have quite enjoyed .. N yea I do bite pretty easy lol as every1 who knows me will no doubt tell you I am a hot head Wit abit of a bad temper but thankfully have calmed down a bit over the last year lol, life is much better on the outside lol ... Hope to read more of ya game reviews for the great colts season comin up ... GO CHIEFS

By Jammin - 5/12/2011 5:47:15 AM

It dissapoints me that people still choose to use our only forum to have pot shots at each other. Now i know this old geezer is not expecting church hymns and kumbayas but we need to show a little respect. I'm all for friendly banter i.e Invictus vs Dave Allen, but when it starts getting personal then i for one switch off.

This has probably been the best season of pure football i have seen in a long time and that's what we should be talking about.

Some highlights if i may from my eyes:

Sharks: Playing banged and bruised with a high casualty toll, yet refused to give in and played with the same intensity each week

Raiders: One representative in the WC squad and a very young squad who will get better

Seahawks: The return of a D1 athlete playing in our league showing the young guys what it takes to reach the top.

Mustangs: Came back from extinction and into the 1st round of the playoffs.

UTS: A heavily reduced roster due to injury which has not affected them in a while and still made it to the semi final

Predators: first playoffs in club history

Outlaws: Top 2 finish in the regular season with many rookies and new HC and fell one game short of a bowl appearance in 8 years.

Pirates: Back to the Waratah bowl for the second time by beating their local rivals

Lions: Still undefeated!

That's the stuff i'm talking about. So many good things in our league. I also did notice those lovely LFL girls yesterday as well. I might just dust off the clipboard and offer my coaching services Smile

I'll leave my game reviews for the week but i did want to mention to you Outlaw54: Happy retirement buddy. I did notice several players speak to you not only from your club but others from the league wishing you the best. Crying

I am a sucker for sportsmanship

Just remember, It only hurts the first season out then its a piece of cake after that, just make sure you keep eating that cake and you'll thank me for it Smile

Rotund is good!

Anyway congrats to the Pirates and Lions who both played with precision and i cant wait for next week

Where will it be played?

Over and out!

By Invictus - 5/12/2011 1:07:01 PM

kiwi-outlaw, can you ask the vet who'll perform the surgery if they can also do something about your appalling propensity for holding on punt plays!

I may just come down to the tattoo parlour and get some ink done - "UTS 2012 NSW Waratah Bowl Champs" - 2011 took an unexpected turn for the worst so another year has had to be scratched. Its getting a little tedious. Had the misfortune to look at the league table - Sydney Uni's PD was something like 450 - that's a kick in the pants to each and every player in NSWGFL to buck up for next year - that's just embarrassing for all of us (and probably a little embarrassing for them too - oh no hold on just remembered who I'm talking about!).

Jammin - I'll look forward to your game review - and I'm touched at your fondness for the Statler and Waldorf act that seems to sprung up between the gnomic one and I.

I find myself (a) not able to sleep as I try to think up the perfect defensive scheme for those meetings with the Evil Empire (and I think I've come up with a cunning plan) and (b) wondering who I'd rather see win the Waratah Bowl.

Is it wrong for me to wish for a mass alien abduction (or a home coming for Dave Allen - the only explanation that makes any sense)??

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 5/12/2011 5:07:23 PM

LOL I only hold u mike cause I love being so close to you gee I missed it this season lol ... N I'd love to ink ya up bro your 1 would be on the house a big I love OUTLAWS lol ... Can't wait to hold ya next year bro lol have a good Xmas buddy

By TacoBell - 5/12/2011 8:31:26 PM

Invictus (5/12/2011)

I may just come down to the tattoo parlour and get some ink done - "UTS 2012 NSW Waratah Bowl Champs" - 2011 took an unexpected turn for the worst so another year has had to be scratched.

I'd just be careful how Kiwi-outlaw spelt that tatoo Invictus

By Outlaw54 - 5/12/2011 10:00:37 PM

Jammin (4/12/2011)

I thought i'd write something from my trusty hobbit hole. Thank you all for your sentiments in respecting my woeful writing attempts this season. I've always been an advocate for our code and this league.

I'll leave my game reviews for the week but i did want to mention to you Outlaw54: Happy retirement buddy. I did notice several players speak to you not only from your club but others from the league wishing you the best. Crying

I am a sucker for sportsmanship
Just remember, It only hurts the first season out then its a piece of cake after that, just make sure you keep eating that cake and you'll thank me for it Smile

Rotund is good!
Anyway congrats to the Pirates and Lions who both played with precision and i cant wait for next week
Where will it be played?
Over and out!

Thanks Jammin. All good things come to an end. I'm lucky to have played again and have met some great people within the league. It wasn't the way I wanted to go out (banged, sore and injured and one game short) but full credit to the Pirates, they deserved the victory. I wish them all the best against the Lions. Their offensive line played well all game and I wont mention the dodgy holding either...lol.

It's time to now focus on coaching and i'm glad you don't need ice baths doing that.

By Outlaw99 - 5/12/2011 10:19:12 PM

TacoBell (5/12/2011)

Invictus (5/12/2011)

I may just come down to the tattoo parlour and get some ink done - "UTS 2012 NSW Waratah Bowl Champs" - 2011 took an unexpected turn for the worst so another year has had to be scratched.

I'd just be careful how Kiwi-outlaw spelt that tatoo Invictus

Might wanna look closer to home before talking about anyone's spelling mistakes Tacobell

By ThinkSimple - 6/12/2011 2:40:57 AM

Its very encouraging to see the level on concern the people on this forum have for their fellow forum-ers when it comes to spelling. Smile

bring on the 'tah bowl. I love the underdog so GO PIRATES!!

By Kiwi Wayne - 6/12/2011 3:20:00 PM

Invictus (30/11/2011)

Mate, this man is a Rhodes Scholar by comparison to some we have over here [and over your way too it seems]. I sometimes cringe reading posts like that, why can't they learn to speak England so we can all understand?

By Monkeyboy - 6/12/2011 8:40:31 PM

True Wayne.

But Invictus just talks too much.

By Gaff - 6/12/2011 9:24:45 PM

learn to speak "England" lol

By ThinkSimple - 7/12/2011 2:23:16 AM

So, 'tah bowl in 4 sleeps.

Can the Pirates knock over the Lions and if so, how?

Discuss...

By Monkeyboy - 7/12/2011 2:42:29 AM

ThinkSimple, as your name implies, that is what the Pirates need to do. Think simple. Simple plays with the ball. Lots of patience. In defence, playing hard and keeping them guessing. But being patient. It looked like UTS were over Uni last week. UTS I think were not patient enough. The Pirates were patient against the Outlaws. Outlaws came out firing and eventually ground down the Outlaws. If the Pirates can hold their cool and play to Coach Taylors game plan(whatever he goes with) then they will have their best chance. I am not saying they will win, but if I was their coach that what I would be drumming into their heads. I am not saying the Pirates will win, just that they need to understand that the Lions can be slaughtered and to really play the game of their lives with patience.

By tenacious_d - 7/12/2011 7:21:49 AM

In terms of a game plan to beat the Lions I believe the Pirates need to do the following 4 things well:

* Control the speed of the game and the time that the Lion's offence has on the field with their run game.

* Find the open receiver just as he gets open - numerous times on the weeknd against the Outlaws the Pirates receivers did a great job of getting open but the throw came a couple of seconds late allowing the DB to recover.

* The Pirates D-Line need to play good gap responsibility up front allowing their LBs clear space to attack the ball runner.

* I can't emphasise enough how good the back side contain needs to be to shut down the Dorney keep on zone read. It breaks a D's heart on a 3 and medium or 3 and long to have the QB scamper for a first down.

And that's my 2c worth. Good luck to both teams this weekend.

By Jammin - 7/12/2011 8:22:48 PM

I think im in a different timezone on delayed telecast. Before we talk about the big game this weekend, i'd thought i'd let you know my thoughts on the games just played.

Pirates vs Outlaws

The Outlaws came out of the blocks early with a TD followed by the Pirates losing the ball. This was about all they did. The Offence saved their worst performance for the playoffs. The young QB could not even get his spiral happening. Again Stuart Etcell was constantly met in the backfield by three and four tacklers.

the Outlaws Defence did not play as of a high caliber that they showed all season but did play ok, but OK is not good enough for playoff football. I think fatigue just set in and some blown assignments on 3rd downs killed there momentum.

The Pirates stuck to their game plan and got rid of their early game nerves. The O line moved the ball well and were geting a lot of 2nd and 3rd level blocking. Their run game was effective and they got the yards when needed.

the Pirates Defense played the game of their season shutting everything down. Constant pressure on the QB and showing different fronts. I was very impressed with their MLB #91 who had a blinder and put on some huge hits. The D-line played to their strengths and really collapsed the pocket coming out of 3 man fronts.

It's a shame the scoreline blew out as I was expecting a tight one. Congratulations to the Outlaws for a great season and they have big things to look forward to next year. The Pirates deserve to be in the final after their performance.

UTS vs Lions

UTS came with a plan of attack and mostly executed for the first half. They played the clock well and slowed the pace of the game. I thought the UTS Defence played outstading in the 1st half shutting out the Lions attack. The Offense became one dimensional afte the Lions D adjusted to the run game which was working against them.

The UTS QB had a tough day in the office and due to lack of mobility out of the pocket on scrambles, he was easily taken to task by the Lions. The two RB's #21 and #5 tried all game and i thought played well. 3rd downs really hurt the UTS defence when Dorney scrambled out of the pocket to pick up the cheap yards

The Lions started out of the blocks slowly and cautiousuly which is unlike them and they relied on the run for long periods of time. QB Dorney was still patient and waiting for his moment to attack. His scarambles after not seeing his reads were flawless and he picked up a lot of yards. the lions defense played stout all game and their d-line really paved the way for their linebackers to swarm the ball carrier. #95 had a reaaly strong game and collapsed the pocket forcing the QB to bounce out and run for his life.

The 2nd half saw the Lions hit the gas and go. They started to spread the field and also attack the guts effectively, eventually tiring out the UTS D and scoring points from all over the field.

Again, congratulations to UTS for making the semi final with a banged up roster.

To summarise, I believe the Lions are still a class above every other team and will be almost impossible to defeat. The Pirates need to stretch the field and not stick to off tackle running as they will be shut down by the powerful Lions Defence.

Well thats how i saw it.

I did not like the vnue for a playoff as the parking was terrible and you could not reall watch the game clearly. I do understaadn with the weather choices were limited.

Hopefully the final will be played at a venue where spectators will be able to witness this great sport from all angles.

side note- Invictus you need to stop doubling on your bets with Lions53. I think he has your number now wih the wins vs losses ratio Smile

By FIRE UP - 7/12/2011 10:48:41 PM

The game has the potential of being the best game in the history of GNSW. The pressure and nerves will be huge for the Lions. im sure no one in the team would want to be part of the first grand final loss in 9 years. If we are to be totaly honest there is only one team that can take the Lions and that is the Pirates. Games between the two in recent times have always been hard, tough and close on the scoreboard. Earlier this season the Pirates lost to the Lions 32-38, and from reading game reports they only lost the lead late in the final quarter.

I was also at the grand final some years back when these two last met (2007 or 2008 ??) and I remeber that this was a very close game ( im sure someone will be able to recall the score). History suggest that this will be a ripper..

By Panda - 8/12/2011 8:09:59 PM

Does anyone know if there is an alternative venue in the event that this wet weather continues? Revesby could get a bit soggy.

By ThinkSimple - 9/12/2011 10:42:23 PM

@panda

Good question. Does anyone know the answer?? I'll be driving up from the highlands with family in tow to watch the game, so if alternate venue is being used would be good to know where i'll be heading.

Cheers

By Monkeyboy - 9/12/2011 11:21:26 PM

Think Simple, it hasn't rain too much in Sydney. It is overcast but not too wet. I think the ground should hold up pretty well. Unless there is a torrential downpour between now and KO, it should be fine.

By rt75 - 10/12/2011 2:48:29 AM

dubai?

anyway, i think the back up venue is Kyeemagh hockey field. i think.

By bobcat - 11/12/2011 8:36:44 AM

The Lions won in a blowout. I lost count of the score. The Pirates never had a chance and were outplayed across the field. They lost #91 MLB very early in the game and never recovered. Uni too strong again and daylight second.

By pompino - 11/12/2011 6:40:30 PM

It was very one sided. Final score 47 - 8 (I think). Congratulations to the Lions. Their O line played a great game.

By Panda - 11/12/2011 10:19:15 PM

bobcat (10/12/2011)

Very true. Sadly the Pirates had no answer. Injuries didn't help them but the Lions were just ruthless and no team could have beaten them - or even gotten close - last night.

Congratulations to Sydney Uni on #9 and commiserations to the Pirates.

By Invictus - 11/12/2011 11:33:14 PM

Jeez - quite a shell-lacking!

I'd have expected more from the Pirates with the size they would have put on the field - bloody Lions....... Looking on the bright side, still allows UTS to hand them their first defeat next season.

Be interesting to read the game reviews - did Pirates play below their normal level or Lions save their best efforts for the finals?

By bobcat - 12/12/2011 2:50:37 AM

Both.

By pompino - 12/12/2011 4:21:08 AM

Pirates running game did very little. As their offence is run, run, draw, screen pass, pass they couldn't get much going. Highlight for them was a 90ish yard touchdown to #81. The Pirates qb spent a fair amount of time running frantically away from the pocket. The Lions D was pretty relentless.

The Lions were also run first for the first half of the game and became a bit more balanced in the second half. Their D returned an INT for a TD in the last part of the game. Very fitting considering how dominant they were.

By ThinkSimple - 12/12/2011 8:29:29 PM

Waratah Bowl XXVIII

Simply put, the Lions were just too good.

Sydney Uni outplayed the Pirates across the field with and without the ball. Truth be told, the score should have been closer to 68-0 with the uni QB over throwing at least 3 passes to receivers who were wide open and would have scored if the passes were on target.

The Pirates only scoring play came from an amazing solo effort by #81 who took an incredible catch and then ran 80 yards like his life depended on it to get into the end zone. Brilliant to watch and a huge thankyou to that player for giving the pirates fans something to cheer about. They then scored a 2 point extra with such ease that for a moment it looked like maybe the pirates come back had began. Unfortunately, that was the comeback in its entirety.

A couple of complaints if i may, and these are purely from a spectators perspective and i offer them as constructive to help the league, not just to b!tch...

Sydney uni and the constant noise. While i'm sure it helps their defence to know if its a pass or run play and hinders the opponents offense by generally being annoying as all f#!k, another thing it does is annoy the bejesus out of people who are their simply to watch. We were on the oppposite side of the ground and its all you could hear all game and was the topic of constant complaint from those around us.

Umpires, please, someone, seriously, its the Waratah Bowl. Can the league do a fund raiser to get these guys a PA system for the penalty calls. Spent half the game guessing what the calls were.

Canteen. Sausages on a roll. Thats the entire menu and was clearly under catered for (I beleive they ran out early in the second half). I drove myself, my pregnant partner and 7 year old daughter up from the southern highlands to watch the game, assuming that we could get something to eat at the ground and we were wrong.

Other than that and the one sided contest it was a great day out and the league has 2 new fans in my partner and daughter.

Congrats to Sydney Uni, clearly the class team of the league and setting a standard for all other clubs to strive for.

2012, 10 in a row for Uni or can a team step up and bring the dynasty back to the pack?? BRING IT!!

By Load66 - 12/12/2011 9:49:40 PM

I thought the standard of officiating in the playoffs (both the games I played in and the others I watched on tape) was the best I have seen it in the time I have spent in the league. I felt the crew worked well together, each looking after their own responsibilities, and were happy to defer to one another where one had a better angle than the other. In the Waratah Bowl there was a flag thrown on a tackle that from one angle looked like it could have been a facemask, yet the crew got together, others with better angles gave opinions and it was waved off. Just a single example, but I feel highlights how well the officials did in the series.

By ThinkSimple - 12/12/2011 11:28:55 PM

@Load66

On the of chance that your post was in relation to mine i just wanted to clarify.

I thought the umpires had a great game, my complaint was about not being able to hear what the penalties were for as opposed to the actual penalties themselves.

By Steamin Louey B - 13/12/2011 12:53:07 AM

ThinkSimple (12/12/2011)

Waratah Bowl XXVIIISydney uni and the constant noise. While i'm sure it helps their defence to know if its a pass or run play and hinders the opponents offense by generally being annoying as all f#!k, another thing it does is annoy the bejesus out of people who are their simply to watch. We were on the oppposite side of the ground and its all you could hear all game and was the topic of constant complaint from those around us.

Oh, I'm sorry. Really. I am. I didn't realise we were being annoying. I'll remember to try being less annoying in the future.

Sure, it might effect the ability of our team to perform.

It might make it harder for us to communicate with each other about what's going on on the field.

It might reduce the team morale.

But at least you wouldn't be annoyed.

Whether or not you're annoyed is one of my primary concerns when I'm competing against one of the strongest teams we've faced in a long time for the state championship. I'll definitely keep that in mind next time I'm playing.

I didn't realise we were at the tennis.

Sorry.

Seriously.

By ThinkSimple - 13/12/2011 2:02:48 AM

@Steamin Louey B

Seriously?

Apologies if my comment has caused offense. I would not have expected a fans honest account of their experience, given for the betterment of the league, to have upset you so much. That was not my intent.

Sydney Uni are by far the class team in this league, you however show none of that class with your responce.

You do your team mates, your club and the league a great disservice in responding to comments in a such an immature and sarcastic way.

Seriously!

By Steamin Louey B - 13/12/2011 2:18:31 AM

I'm sorry. It probably wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. I just had the shits.

We're there for the game. We're there to play the best game of football we possibly can. We've been training for years to get to this level and it's incredibly iportant to all of us.

If we're not pumped up for this game then we're not going to win. Purely and simply.

We can have the best schemes, the best football players, and the best athletes but if we don't have the hunger and desire then we're not going to win.

The Pirates are a great team with great players and great coaches. They're also hungry to beat us.

If we don't come out fired up, then we're done and we can all get on here and congratulate the Pirates on winning the Waratah Bowl.

When some guys get fired up, they get really quiet and intense. I would suggest that these are the exception. When most guys get fired up, then yell and scream and make a lot of noise.

You're asking me to look at it from the fans perspective. That's great. I understand that there was a lot of noise and maybe you found that annoying.

I'm asking you to look at it from a players perspective. We were out on the field, fighting, pushing and giving everything in the hope of achieving a dream.

I just think it's a little ridiculous to turn up to a football match and ask people to quieten down because you find the noise annoying.

I don't know if you've been to any other football matches before but noise is pretty common. It's not a tennis match. We're not at the national chess championships. Have you seen any college football? The noise gets so loud that you can't hear the guy standing next to you on the field. There are people cheering, shouting, and supporting their team.

Consider this: was the problem that there was cheering and supporting at a football match (a very common and easily anticipated situation) or was the problem that you turned up to a football match expecting no cheering or shouting?

By Load66 - 13/12/2011 2:31:00 AM

ThinkSimple, I didn't read any of the other posts, mine was just a general comment.

By ThinkSimple - 13/12/2011 2:55:29 AM

@Steamin Louey B

Now that was constructive post. Thank you. I retract my comment about class.

Looking at it from a players perspective i do understand that getting loud is a great way to fire up. I also understand that as only 11 players can be on the field at once, that the yelling keeps you guys focused and involved with the game and ready to come out swinging when its your turn to get in there.

No issue what so ever with any of your arguments and logic.

I do understand that noise and cheering is part of football and its a good part. I myself yelled to the heavens cheering #81 into the end zone on the Pirates only score and i clapped, begrudgingly, everytime sydney uni demostrated why they are 9 times consecutive champions. I'm not trying to suggest that gridiron is like tennis or chess. Its the nature, purpose and source of the noise that i and other spectators found annoying. Sydney Uni weren't "cheering" every play. The constant drone before each pirates snap, followed by the obligatory "pass/run" call. Thats not cheering and that is issue at hand.

I guess this argmuent comes down to priorities. Is a teams need to yell constantly at every play more important than a spectators ability to enjoy watcing the game. At this point in the leagues development, you could argue for the former certainly. I am spectator and hence offered my opinion as such. I respect your opinion as a player and as its a players game at the moment. Yell away!!

By Jammin - 13/12/2011 2:56:05 AM

Well what can i say about the 2011 Waratah bowl.

First of all, a big congratulations to the Lions. They have clearly demonstrated why they are the best club team in the country not only NSW. I still do not see any team close to dismantling them.

The Pirates had nothing and no answer. I agree with some of the posts about their gameplan. It was very predictable and their run game was rendered ineffective by the Lions D. I was with a couple of friends who were interested in watching some live football and predicted most of the plays.(Now with the Lions D experience they did the same.)

I have said from day one that you must spread the field to be a chance, not run up the guts or off tackle as that will merely congest the lanes. Screens were a good idea but poorly executed.

Having said that, the Pirates showed a lot of charachter to play out the game. Having #91 gone had a huge impact on the Pirates D. his speed and toughness was lacking.

The Lions Offence seemed to lift on every play and the O-line had a great game. I would have given them the MVP, particularly #60,63. Both guards played outstanding. On the Defensive side of the ball #56 was everywhere. Full credit to the D-line who really drove the Pirates back letting #56 do the rest.

What a fantastic season of football i really enjoyed. Are there things we need to fix as reading some previous posts, sure but all in all this season was one of the closest I have ever come across with results raising quite a few eyebrows. The standard of officiating was much better as well.

I would like to thank all you pundits for taking an interest in my posts and i must admit i had more fun writing this time and not only reading and laughing at certain individuals. Let's hope 2012 will live up to the hype and be bigger and better.

Jammin signin off Smile

By NickOlive - 13/12/2011 6:07:05 AM

If you go to a college or NFL game, the stadium will be deadly silent when the home teams offense is on the field about to snap the ball, and insanely noisy when the oppositions offense is on the field about to snap the ball. The harder it is for the offensive players to hear the snap count, the better it is for the defense.

As a corner in man coverage you are taught to focus on nothing apart from your receiver, to have people shout out whether is a pass or a run is a massive help.

We are not trying to be annoying, we are trying to boost our game as much as possible. It's also nice to hear that your offense is behind you when you're on the field. Now we just need the fans to join in and make even more noise!

Nick

Sydney Uni Lions - 22

Farnham Knights - 22

By tmpb - 13/12/2011 9:30:30 AM

i didnt go to the game. To be honest, i wasnt too enthusiastic about hanging out at Bill Delauney reserve for 3 hours with barely any seating or other decent facilities at the venue. some poor venues have been served up for the championship game the last few years. the crest last year was less than adequate because of the distance between the field of play and the viewing areas. i liked forshaw park in sylvania in '09 as it had basic facilities and good views of the field, but the players werent fans of the surface apparently. have to go back to '08 and campbelltown SG for a venue all were happy about........it probably cost the league a bomb in hiring fees, but it really gave the match an aura of importance.........even the digital scoreboard was in operation for it and from memory a decent crowd was in attendance and the the match was a thriller, as was '09 at sylvania. homebush hockey and belmore SG was in use prior to that. the latter was good because it was grass and was also good for a spectators and game status POV, but i think bridges were burnt with the council there.

so what im saying is that the league needs to get back to securing a decent venue for the decider. it's what's the game deserves, particularly if local news outlets are going to report on the games.

re the SU annoying cunts, well yes they are, but at HS, college or pro-level in the US, it's standard for a home team's supporters to make as much noise as possible when their D is on the field. the purpose is to disrupt the opposition O. you'll also find that it's common for the coaching staff and players on the sideline to inform their D whether the developing play is a run or pass. the 40 or so suited up Lions, coaching staff, and associates on the sidelines are the supporting crowd and play callers both. In this case, because the crowd at a GNSW game is so small, they are easily heard. Frankly, if the Pirates and their supporters weren't doing likewise, than they weren't doing all they could to compete effectively in the game.

By Thomas in London - 13/12/2011 5:59:42 PM

In terms of crowds I have to agree that if you are a visiting team it can be daunting, admittedly I have not been to American Football in a number of years (not including Austria) but when you are visiting Rugby clubs in the north it can be intimidating and as a coach on the sideline you have to focus.

The only time I know the stadium or club goes silent is when there is a serious injury be it home or away player. I don't think the crowds are that disimilar from each other.

(For those from the past who read this and know I am talking about bring back Lidcombe oval Laugh

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By Monkeyboy - 13/12/2011 8:12:00 PM

Thomas, Lidcombe Oval is central to a lot of the clubs. Although its facilities are outdated and there has been a push in the council to renovate, it is still a class above Bill Delauney Reserve. It would be great to get a bigger or better ground, but I totally understand about availability and costs involved. I personally think there should be a game prior to the championship game between the previous weeks losing teams. This gives it a greater atmosphere. More players will be there. They will also draw in their crowd of family and friends. It really should be the showpiece of the season. It was a very good crowd considering all things on Saturday. The Lions and Pirates should be commended for that. There was not so many other players from the League though as everybody believed the Lions will win. If we can also get closer competition in the finals this will also bring in the crowds and force the League to provide better grounds.

By ThinkSimple - 13/12/2011 11:48:01 PM

Yeah, i was suprised by the small number of spectators also. I would have assumed that players from the other 7 clubs would shown up to 1, watch the game and 2, lend their support to the big day. 7 teams at say an avg. of 30 players/team and your talking about over 200 people just in players. Add some family and freinds and you could get quite the crowd without really having to reach beyond the immediate game network.

I guess Bill Delauney reserve isn't exactly crowd freindly though. Would that be enough to keep people away??

By LIONSFATBACK_17 - 14/12/2011 12:11:14 AM

I think we need to remember we are a minority, social and most importantly amateur sport guys. It's cool to bag out the league re the ground we played the bowl at, but try to remember that the exec is made up of volunteer guys who love the sport and are trying to improve it. They had the option of delauney or kymeegah for the final. I for one would take delauney every day of the week. Yeah sure a better ground should have been secured, but they had the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute and did the best a group of guys could do at short notice. Same old rule applies, don't bitch just get involved and do something.

Oh and how many guys who play other social sports ie soccer, league, cricket or whatever really have the desire to go watch a final if they didn't make it? Try to keep it in perspective guys, social sport that we pay to play really isn't the be all and end all. Shit, the badminton team at uni gets more funding than the lions do.

Let's not get too carried away

By ThinkSimple - 14/12/2011 12:43:50 AM

you should get the guy who does the badminton funding to look after you guys aswell. Clearly a genius!! Smile

By Monkeyboy - 14/12/2011 1:52:54 AM

Think Simple, not haing a go at the Pirates, but if other teams knew it would be a fight and a genuine challenge, there might be more interest. Unfortunately the Lions are too good. I thought there was more people this year than previous years.

Next year will be a different story and I am here now predicting a Lions loss during the season, which I hope does not make them even hungrier.

By G-unit - 14/12/2011 2:52:53 AM

Monkeyboy (13/12/2011)

Next year will be a different story and I am here now predicting a Lions loss during the season, which I hope does not make them even hungrier.

Oops now you have gone and done it... guess we just gotta work harder Wink

you know we will...

Lets now shift focus to the Wolfpack, where we unite together to make other states feel hopelessness!

By Thomas in London - 14/12/2011 6:56:38 AM

I mentioned Lidcombe in jest ( NSW State played there from 88 to 92?? I think), I know is in need of serious modernisation, that's a given so is hundreds of sports ovals dotted around Sydney and the outer suburbs.

One very good point that has been raised is the fact that Gridiron is a minority social sport and that is run by volunteers; this also applies to Rugby Union and Hockey in Australia and in the UK, In the UK for instance you have the premiership Rugby and the Pro clubs on one side and on the other the Junior clubs and Unions (Junior clubs is the term for amateurs and Junior clubs in Australia would be the term for Youth Clubs in the UK) which is run by Amateurs.

Several of the local American clubs in the UK have joined with Junior Rugby to share facilities and volunteers and build fan base for the sports. There have been several instances were 3 - 4 different sports have joined forces to run a club house unders the banner of a Community Amateur Sports Clubs

My point is for Australian Gridiron to evolve or move on to the next stage is how about sharing facilities with another Junior Sport it will help and benefit in the long run it would certainly be something that I would do if I was running a club. in the end in terms of NSW you need a club house to call home not a field, you have fields but need something else and that is what is lacking. There are hundreds of Junior clubs in many different sports in Sydney which are not elite or professional struggling to keep the club house afloat in need of more volunteers or share costs. why not share facilities and it can only help both in the long run and reduce the yearly expenditure that plagues gridirion.

By Lions53 - 14/12/2011 9:51:15 PM

Thomas in London (13/12/2011)

Sydney Uni basically has this arrangement (for better or worse) with the University and we are regular punted from ovals for a variety of reasons (for union during winter and then as they prepare the field for cricket in summer - we have even lost an oval booking to ulimate frisbee) ... the problem with this idea here in Sydney is that due to the Sydney climate fields can't be used all year round without periods of repair and as a result all codes get very protective of their patch of grass. So Gridiron will often get punted (even when we have booked quality fields in advance) for field repair.

PS the '92 Grand Final, when Sydney Uni beat Bondi (the undefeated minor premiers) 14-8, was played at Kogarah Oval

By Thomas in London - 15/12/2011 4:22:23 AM

Sydney University for me has always been a paradox, havingcoached there with the Rugby Club the university has never worked out how todeal with the Lions despite the fact that by their own admission is the mostsuccessful Sports Club in their history. You would have thought by now theywould have given you something to train you can call your own.

Is this clubhouse still next to the 1^st teampitch?

By Luxford - 15/12/2011 9:22:36 AM

Sorry Dave it was played at Brookvaole Oval.

By Luxford - 15/12/2011 9:27:17 AM

Sorry again dave for my terrible spelling....... Brookvale Oval is where the 1992 Championship game was played between the Lions and the Raiders..... Also that was the Division 1 Championship game......... but also for Division 2 we had the Seahawks play the Pirates........... Two Divisions...... in seeing some of the results from this year maybe we need to have two divisions again...

By tmpb - 15/12/2011 9:34:42 AM

the Lions clubhouse behind the grandstand at oval #1 is a toilet block.

the fields are all part of the individual colleges. the surfaces for the most part represent cow paddocks. Johns has had work done but havent stepped foot onto it since. Either way football is down the pecking order when it comes to sports priorty within the university.

By Coach T - 15/12/2011 7:49:24 PM

Luxford (14/12/2011)

Correct. The 1992 Championship Games were played at Brookvale Oval. Technically there were two Divisions - AAA and AA. The Lions and Raiders played AAA and the Seahawks and Pirates were in AA.

I'm not sure that two Divisions are appropriate at the moment as there aren't enough teams. In 1992 we had 15 teams, including Newcastle and the Mustangs. I'm pretty sure it was the Mustangs first season.

The 1984 Championship Game was played at Lidcombe Oval between the Canterbury Cougars and the Sydney University Stormtroopers.

By Luxford - 15/12/2011 10:26:32 PM

I understand that we only have 9 Teams but is bringing new teams into the competition and having them get their butts whipped week in and week out going to encourage them to stay..... I am personally ok with it but I feel that there are a lot of newbie players who give our game a try and are expected to compete against experienced veterans..... I feel a development division (eg, Division 2) would be a good thing for newcomers to our sport.....

By ThinkSimple - 16/12/2011 12:11:18 AM

The 2 division idea is an interesting one.

I've always been a fan of relegation and promotion in sports between divisions. What better motivation for weaker teams to get stronger and the stronger teams to keep improving. Winner of div2 goes up, wooden spoon of div1 goes down. It would also make for closer more competitive games and allow newer, weaker clubs the ability to compete and keep new players keen.

Also, if a club was able to field 2 teams due to having the numbers (maybe a dream at the moment) They could field one in each division and reward players in the lower division with starts in the top team, use the div2 team to get injured div 1 players back on the field etc etc...

Lets assume the cobra's join next season, thats 10 teams. 2 divisions of 5 teams each. It takes 5 weeks for each team to play each other team in the division (including a bye week) so you could play each team twice for a 10 week season, 3 times for a 15 week season, top 3 teams make the playoffs 2v3 -> winner v 1. Play both finals on the same day Div2 then the waratah bowl. more footy to watch, bigger crowds for the main game.

I'm sure there's a down side too, i don't see it but would love to hear about it.

Its an idea definitely worth discussing IMO.

By AaronM - 16/12/2011 12:26:26 AM

Two teams from one club can be rort with danger. You need to set some very very specific ground rules. What if one team makes the finals and the other team doesn't.. Can those players from team 2, now go and play for team 1?? How do you work out which players go into each team? Very difficult

From my understanding, it was tried in WA for a season, and it just did not work. The Steelers I think were the team in Perth that tried it.

By Luxford - 16/12/2011 1:02:26 AM

i really like the relegation system, but instead of Automatic relegation the winner of Division 2 plays the last placed team of Division 1 called (the updown game) and who ever wins that game goes to D 1 and the looser goes to d 2...... In regards to the other comments with D1 and d 2 players... I would probably not mix players bewteen d2 and d 1 as some clubs might be inclined to load up a d2 team with d1 players come finals time......

By Thomas in London - 16/12/2011 7:24:54 PM

How would relegation work within the sports psyche? It is not something that you see in Australia promotion and relegation.

By AaronM - 16/12/2011 8:33:20 PM

I dont think relegation is the answer either.

Conferencing might be a solution.

Either way, the league should be looking at making the current teams stronger (not sure how) before they entertain the idea of new teams into the competition. This is purely my opinion, but if you cant keep existing clubs on the ground, whats the point in bringing in new teams.

Cheers

By ThinkSimple - 17/12/2011 2:08:43 AM

@AaronM

I had not considered how a club with a div1 and div2 team might stack the div2 team to win. Valid point. Will ponder this some more...

I'm not sure conferencing is the way forward. In this scenario a strong club in a strong conference can miss out while a weaker club in a weaker conference makes the playoffs. Divisions based on performance is the best way forward IMO.

@Thomas In London

I think that relegation, while foreign to the Australian sporting Psyche, is exactly what said Psyche needs. Div1 Gridiron should mean something. At the moment it means any club that can get enough people to show up and meet all of the other GNSW requirements. 2 divisions would give Div1 real meaning. Its not as simple matter of turning up and your in the big league. Its something you have to earn. Earn to get in there and earn to stay in there.

Have more to say but my partner is dragging me away from the keyboard

To be continued...

By out_of_bounds - 17/12/2011 3:47:41 AM

maybe ask victoria how it worked this year? Looked pretty successful even with some clubs with 2 teams and some with 1

By Thomas in London - 17/12/2011 6:08:56 AM

Interesting comments and as some of the older members have been through this merry go around when we had 15 teams, I think to believe there used to be 16 teams but cannot be certain.

The reasons for so many teams folded are numerous and I am not going to get into it at the moment but it molded my thinking in terms of how I originally wanted UTS setting up but that is a conversation for another time.

You are right Australia has always followed the professional sports model of the US which is non relegation but instead a hybrid version of conference or divisional system be it Rugby League, Union and to a certain extent Aussie Rules, the current A - League has a similar principle. The only sport it would have worked could have been Australian Basketball but too many vested interests put paid to that idea.

It would have worked in Rugby League when the sport split and for a brief period in time it was a proper national competition and remember reading that the idea was floated but never took.

My point is that there has been starts but no one has carried it through. If it was a conference system with Gridiron it could work with a 10 game season and the existing teams with a home and away series.

In terms of new teams I would follow the British or German model which are proving successful particularly with Newcastle, the Highlands etc.... and use the 1 year eligibility rule.

Since I am running late for work I will comment on the last two points later.......

By LoneDingo - 17/12/2011 9:58:30 AM

ThinkSimple
I'm sure there's a down side too, i don't see it but would love to hear about it.

Its an idea definitely worth discussing IMO.

1) What about a consistently 'top 3' team for 5+ years in the Div 1 conference having a single year where everything goes wrong (major injuries for the entirety of a season for example) and for that year ending up last in the D1 group? They'd be relegated for a season and then if not afflicted by the same issues the following year and retaining the same squad they would potentially decimate the Div 2 teams.

2) With only 5 teams in a Div 2 group and the top 3 teams making the post-season, 3rd place can quite easily have only 3 wins under their belt (having been a part of a 5 team league, happens frequently). Hell, they possibly could have 2 wins only. But they have a great post-season and win the Div 2 even with that record. Then they get promoted to Div 1 for the next year, and because they won the previous year through a combination of effort, tenacity and a bit of luck they get rewarded by playing against teams of a 'higher calibre', getting creamed by 20+ points each week. What does that do for club morale and pushing their program forward?

3) How does this address the sometimes-voiced concern of a 3 tiered grouping of the clubs (yes, I realise that this year does put doubts on that being the case)? Under your idea, a situation can occur where the top 3 teams of Div 1 sit on a class of their own, the bottom 2 of Div 2 could sit around without improving enough to break through to next barrier above them, and then the middle 5 (bottom 2 of D1, top 3 of D2) sit in a merry-go-round of relegation and D2 championships and promotion. If there was enough of a perception by those 5 that breaking into the top part of D1 and/or winning a D1 championship was going to be an extremely hard to reach goal, there becomes an impetus to stick around that group and still be able to have won some championships at the D2 level every couple of years or so rather than not having anything to show for it.

4) If the impetus of a 2 division system is to provide the chance for teams to develop and strengthen before having to face stronger teams, how does the system exactly help those teams that sit on the cusp of the two to continually improve? Let's face it, the majority of players for most clubs last in the region of 2-5 years in this sport (and that's due to a vast number of reasons from injury, interest, work and family commitments, etc.) and so half of the issue in placing together a program and structure for a club to continually improve is to do so in a way that allows for some sort of consistency even with this turn over of personnel. This also includes some measure of consistency in terms of the opposition you face so you can test out whether the results you have one year are a fluke, or are close to the right mix for the personnel you have (and yes, I realise that the other teams will be constantly shifting schemes, but realistically is every team radically altering themselves every year? No, they make gradual changes with only 1 or 2 trying a completely different approach). If you are a team that goes up and then comes back down, you don't have that as once you win Div 2 you get a single year to try and secure at least 4th place in Div 1 or you go back down again immediately.

5) Currently with 9 teams each team gets a 10 game and 2 bye 12 week season with the 3 mini-conference system. If you move to 10 teams in 2 divisions that do not interact, you have to go to either a 8/2/10, 12/3/15, or 10/3/13 game/bye/weeks season in order to have all clubs play the same number of games. This is in comparison to a single division 10 team competition where you would have a game/bye/weeks possibility of 9/0/9, 10/0/10, 11/0/11, etc. or you could introduce a bye from 10 games onwards (although really only worthwhile if doing a 13/1/14 so 1-5 and 6-10 seeds play each other twice). So even while adding an extra team, you're reducing the flexibility of what can be done with the draw as well as not increasing the number of games without disproportionately increasing the number of bye weeks.

Is the current system perfect? Of course not. Is a divisional structure the absolute wrong way to go? No.

But it needs to be seriously thought out. It took me longer to type this than reason it, and I type quickly. Separate divisions with promotion/relegation is fine for when you have a large number of teams in a division and are shifting a small number of clubs (Premier League and Serie A drop the bottom 3 of 20 teams, Bundesliga 2 or 3 of 18) so there stands a more likely chance of winning enough games to not be relegated immediately the following year. The other factor to remember, this is used more often for professional competitions and not amateur competitions as there is a financial aspect to add to the impetus to stay in a higher division. I know soccer uses it for amateur competition in Australia but there's a multiplicity of reasons it doesn't fall in a screaming heap for them. Any changes need to be well thought out with a strong look at making sure it fits with the long-term goals of the sport at both the state and national levels.

By rt75 - 18/12/2011 9:04:41 AM

Big post lonedingo, i generally agree with you on being against the idea of 2 division league with relegation mostly because i feel it works when there leagues are large and there is a gradual difference in teams across the league, versus what we have now of a smallish league and generally big gaps between the skills of the top teams and the bottom teams.

LoneDingo (16/12/2011)the long-term goals of the sport at both the state and national levels.

On the thought of goals.

Does the league and GA have a clearly defined set of short and long term goals for the sport? And are they shared with the playing public?

If/when they do exist I would love to see them shared with everyone to allow some form of outside accountability and ensure that the sport is making positive steps.

By Luxford - 19/12/2011 6:14:36 AM

It is difficult to hold people accountable when they are not getting paid.... If volunteers do not perform we can easily get rid of them but then who do we replace them with.... Sometimes it is much easier to use your inititive and make things happen then if it works the local state governing body can adopt the program that you have set up...

In saying that GA put together a Strategic Plan a few years ago but like all plans it needs dedicated people who have the available time, energy and expertise to execute.

By ThinkSimple - 19/12/2011 8:28:30 PM

@lonedingo

You make some very valid and interesting points. in response...

1) The team you mention that has a bad year and gets relegated then decimates div2 are currently decimating those same teams week in week out at the moment. Another scenario, a club that is currently strong starts to struggle for whatever reason, how many seasons should they be protected from relegation if they consistently fail to perform at a div1 level??

2) It is true, based on a 3 team post season that a weaker team with a great post season could be promoted and then smashed the following season. how about optional promotion for winning div2 teams. if they feel they are truly ready and earn the right then up they go but if they know they are not there yet they can opt out of the promotion?? I would add to this though that said option should not be available for the minor premiers. You dont want a strong team dominating div2 without being forced to step up. Another option, no post season for div2. Playout out the season and minor premier wins and gets promoted.

3) In regards to this the question really is, does a team improve by playing other teams of equal or slightly higher strength or by playing teams that are far stronger and getting smashed. Personally i think teams need to be able to compete enabling them to make incremental improvements. A single division where david plays goliath does neither david nor goliath any favours. Neither team improves and david just gets kicked around.

4) If your a cusp team then yes, it ill be difficult but i beleive that motivation given to the players to crack into div1 and then somehow lift in order to stay there gives those players and clubs something more to play for. If we take this years results UTS would be bottom of div1 with Mustangs top of Div2. Based on these teams records there is a single win/loss difference between them and when these teams last played it was 36/34 Mustangs. If the mustangs were div2 leaders and given a birth in div1, imagine the motivation and drive to kick on. Imagine how UTS will come out firing next season to win back there seat at the big table. Not to mention the seahawks lurking around making plans to take down UTS next season. The "flip flop" teams would be fairly equal in terms of strength battling it out. (I just need a moment to bath in the awesome of this scenario)

5) Totally valid point. got nothing on this one. less teams in each division will reduce flexibilty around the draw. Simple math.

I guess the real thing to keep in mind with all of this is what is best to grow the game. what are the current issues and how do we best addess these.

Sydney Uni are simply too strong. There are a few clubs in a position to possibly close the gap over the next few seasons, but then it is daylight to the rest. I dont know if this is the best thing for the league. We need to allow these big strong clubs to continue to grow and do what they do while nurturing smaller clubs. A divisional system allows weaker teams to compete and grow and improve without having to suffer the forgone conclusion of a 60 nil defeat when its there turn to face the juggernauts of the league.

Does anyone have an alternate solution that encourages both the big and the small clubs all at the same time?

By Gridiron Victoria - 19/12/2011 11:42:29 PM

Hi guys

Last year following the One HD commercial we doubled the number of participants and introduced 3 new full teams and one exhibition team into Gridiron Victoria.

In the past new clubs have started out and for varied reasons (numbers, coaches, money, facilities etc) have struggled and subsequently gone under in a short space of time.

With such a large influx of new clubs into the mix, and 5 already established and very competent clubs already running we decided to form a two division system.

The existing 5 teams were division 1:

Bay City Buccaneers
Berwick Miners
Croydon Rangers
Western Crusaders
Monash Warriors

In division two we have the 3 new, full teams:

Northern Raiders
Gippsland Gladiators
Melbourne Uni Royals

Along with the Ballarat Pioneers who were an exhibition team (they only play every second week as per our Operating Rules).

In division two we encouraged any of the existing division one teams to also enter a div 2 side, effectively a reserves side like in AFL. The Warriors and Rangers did this, which gave us 6 full division 2 sides and 1 exhibition team.

Each team would play within its own division twice, and once outside with no div 1 sides playing the exhibition team. I think a random div 2 side avoided a div 1 side so that each team got their 12 games for the season.

Teams play within their division for a game each (4 games plus a bye) before the div 2 guys had to go up against a div 1 side.

For the record, most div 1 - div 2 games were shut outs. The closest a div 2 side got was losing 20-0. The worst it got was 84-0 for another side.

Inter divisional it was very close and competitive. A natural pecking order emerged but all teams were competitive within their own division.

Not sure where this will go in the future but for the ongoing growth and sustainability of the competition it is something we are going to continue to work on.

Any questions feel free to sing out or contact us via www.gridironvictoria.com.au

By OlderDan - 20/12/2011 11:19:11 PM

^ just one correction, the closest a Div 2 team got to an upset was the Gladiators losing to the miners, 20-19. The Raiders had the second closest loss, a 24-0 shut out, again to the miners. Effectively, the worst Div 1 team still went unbeaten against new clubs - if only just.

For us, 2 divisions have worked really, really well. We fully expect that this will continue to be the model for us going forward. Our long-term strategic aim is for all clubs to be in Division 1, while simultaneously fielding reserve sides in Div 2. This is also where new clubs would enter in the future.

By Luxford - 21/12/2011 12:19:09 AM

Well done to Gridiron Victoria..........

By ThinkSimple - 21/12/2011 1:24:43 AM

@gridironvictoria thanks for the input.

Sounds like the 2 division system has worked well for them.

We can theorise and debate all we like but nothing speaks with more credibility than experience. Thought it was worth asking for their opinion and i for one are glad that they took the time to offer it.

By P80 - 21/12/2011 2:08:23 AM

There have been some concerns raised about 'stacking' a D2 or D1 team when the season is over for one of them

One of the ways Soccer in the Gladesville Hornsby gets around this is that following the halfway point, any player that plays more than 2 games in 1 team is bound to that team for the remainder of the season.

For our scenario, you could argue 2 or more games in the last 5 weeks, or playing in the last regular season game automatically binds you to that team, with no 'switching' allowed.

It then becomes a Firsts/Reserves system, whereby a team (lets take SU for example) cant afford to stack their D2 team to win the D2 trophy, as they would lose their players to the D1 playoffs and championship game.

One of the good things about having the larger rostered clubs introduce 2 teams is that it would see 22 more players from those clubs gain "Starting" experience which would only add to this league... Depth could be a problem though.

By Monkeyboy - 21/12/2011 2:48:42 AM

There could not be a club in this state that can offer an A and B team. UTS and Pirates generally have the biggest rosters going around. They both struggled for players at the end of the season because of injuries and other reasons. Outlaws while had good numbers, a few injuries and they too would have struggled.

There is not a club that can offer a good enough A team to also give a B team. These same clubs need to also get coaches.

Lets not even mention the officials and grounds.

By Panda - 21/12/2011 4:53:53 AM

Monkeyboy (20/12/2011)

Monkey boy that's perhaps the most logical posting on this whole issue. Forget players and seeding teams, who would coach them and where would they play? I'm sure the League Exec are all for expansion but done properly and not on a whim.

From some of the posts I've read here you'd almost assume that the Lions should be isolated in a Division of their own because they're untouchable and then everyone else can be in the also-rans Division.

Th good thing about this debate is that there is likely to be huge numbers turning up at the League AGM volunteering to help out...isn't there?

By OlderDan - 21/12/2011 7:24:13 PM

How've you gone with the advertisements? We leveraged that into over 100% growth for our senior comp and 20% in our juniors. We're continuing to see enquiries rise over the course of the season. That would affect teams being able to have second teams.

So far as stacking issues - we have a rule that once a player plays more than half the season in one side, they're locked. But it works both ways - both up and down. This has caused gripes for one team in particular that runs a second squad, but another managed it without issue or complaint. The biggest problem with a second team is naturally, coaching.

But if NSW goes down the path of a 2 division format, given all the clubs are established, I would strongly advise you develop a relegation system. It would be pointless to have 2 totally separate divisions, like we have in GV (albiet with crossover) when generally everyone has the same exp level, if not talent and coaching.

By Coach's Favourite - 25/12/2011 4:24:15 AM

Not to knock the great brainstorming going on, but.............
How about we get one league running right before we go on to expand everything?

By Monkeyboy - 25/12/2011 6:34:43 AM

If we get a new team either from Newcastle or the Highlands, I reckon we go a full season with every team once.

We then do a world cup soccer attempt where the top 5 teams pick from a hat who they will play in the first week then the bottom 5 pick from a hat who they play in the second week. That way there is no favouritism. Simply good luck or bad luck. It might add a bit of fun to it as well.

By Panda - 26/12/2011 2:30:26 AM

Coach's Favourite (24/12/2011)

Not to knock the great brainstorming going on, but.............
How about we get one league running right before we go on to expand everything?

Here, here...better to have 9 teams run well than 10 or more run shoddily.

In saying that though I think it's more likely to see a team from Newcastle in the League in the near future than one from the Southern Highlands.

What do we know about the Southern Highlands team other than one guy posting here who has been to a few games? Will they get enough players? Qualified coaches? Have they submitted a business plan to the League?

Or is this just a couple of guys who think it sounds like a good idea?

By Load66 - 26/12/2011 6:38:04 AM

Just wanted to highlight the sensational highlights package that one of our young receivers put together for the 2011 Waratah Bowl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AsFlebnkxE&feature=youtu.be

Regardless of your thoughts on the result/game, it's an extremely well put together clip.

Edit: watch it in HD... Looks super pretty.

By Luxford - 26/12/2011 9:12:33 AM

Nice film clip...... so is the standard of the other teams getting better in their quest to compete with the lions?

By Panda - 27/12/2011 3:29:04 AM

Luxford (25/12/2011)

Nice film clip...... so is the standard of the other teams getting better in their quest to compete with the lions?

Obviously not

By AaronM - 28/12/2011 7:54:00 AM

Great film clip.

I understand that the video is one sided, but would be interested in seeing the offensive stats for each team. It seemed that the Pirates could not get any game going?

Cheers

By ThinkSimple - 28/12/2011 8:24:03 PM

Panda (25/12/2011)

Here, here...better to have 9 teams run well than 10 or more run shoddily.

In saying that though I think it's more likely to see a team from Newcastle in the League in the near future than one from the Southern Highlands.

What do we know about the Southern Highlands team other than one guy posting here who has been to a few games? Will they get enough players? Qualified coaches? Have they submitted a business plan to the League?

Or is this just a couple of guys who think it sounds like a good idea?

As an FYI for anyone interested. Currently the sum total of the Southern Highlands Gridiron club is a facebook group with about 15 people in it. Its a few posters up on local notice boards telling people about the club and its a few games of touch footy old. It's 3 guys keen to play the real thing next season for an established club and its exactly where most clubs start out from. As a group, we are working towards fielding a team by 2013. That may or may not be realistic but we'll work towards it and if we fall short we'll stil be wel on the way or a 2014 debut. As it stands we do not have the numbers, the coaches or the business plan but for a club thats only 7 weeks old, i think we're doing ok thus far.

By ThinkSimple - 28/12/2011 9:21:59 PM

@CoachesFavourite suggests "we get one league running right before we go on to expand everything?" in relation to the combined posts of @MonkeyBoy who states that "There could not be a club in this state that can offer an A and B team" which is then taken by @Panda to mean "I'm sure the League Exec are all for expansion but done properly and not on a whim." All this posted against the 2 division idea.

Lets be very clear here. Splitting the current league into 2 divisions does not "expand" the league. Only adding new teams (be they new clubs or second teams from existing clubs) can "expand" the league. If your worried about "expansion" simply stop existing clubs from fielding 2 teams. Simple!!

Splitting the current league into 2 divisions is simply a restructure designed to "get one league running right before we go on to expand everything".

2 divisions breaks the teams up by strength allowing teams to be more competitive. It creates a nursery for new clubs to bloom and weaker clubs to rebuild while allowing the stronger clubs to play more competitive games week in and week out. Realistcally, implementing the 2 div system is as easy as making a new draw for the year. You would think that it was re-inventing the wheel given some of the posts of late.

Alternatively, if you have a better way of closing the gap between the top teams and the bottom teams lets hear them!! Its easy to critique and shoot down idea's but as yet i haven't heard a single alternative suggestion.

By Panda - 28/12/2011 11:56:53 PM

I was actually in the middle of writing a long post about the merits of a single structured League where teams play each other based on previous years standings as has been the case in GNSW for a number of years now, but then I thought bugger it!

It's obvious that someone with no experience in the League - with no team other than a Facebook presence - with no coaching expertise - and obviously no idea how hard it is to achieve the level of play displayed at a Division 1 level - has more insight into how a League should be run than the current League Executive.

Can't wait to see your input at a League level in 2012 and look forward to your insights at the League AGM.

By ThinkSimple - 29/12/2011 4:09:04 AM

@Panda

Really, with the personal attack? A class act indeed sir.

My last post was about clarifying the argument. "2 divisions" had been blurred with "expansion" which is not the case. Hence any argument against divisions using "expansion" is moot.

I really don't understand how i have offended you to justify your attack.

Never once have i claimed that i know more about running the game than the exec, or anyone else for that matter. So best you check your facts before making accusations.

I am arguing the point on the merits of the idea alone.

I'm just offering my opinion re: a 2 division set up. Agree or disagree its all good. A spirited debate on the merits of the idea's put forward is what i'm all about and i am more than happy to play "devils advocate" if it helps justify the current set up. Perhaps my lack of experience gives fresh eyes to an old system. Asking questions that may seem obvious can sometimes evoke new ideas or reaffirm past decisions. There's nothing to be feared by open discussion. I have no agenda here.

And just so the point is not lost, you have still not offered an alternative solution, nor have you made any rational argument (that i have not already addressed) against a divisional system. Usually personal attacks start when the argument is lost. Wink

just stirring... have some fun with it.

By Panda - 29/12/2011 6:15:14 PM

Yeah whatever. You know best and are quite obviously of superior intelligence than a lowly person such as myself.

Okay you're not for "expansion" per se (so that kind of defeats the purpose of trying to set up a team in the Southern Highlands I would have thought) but you are in favour of a two division set up.

As I understand it there has been a two division setup in the past - the early '90s - and it didn't achieve much. It included promotion and relegation but faltered with the set up of the breakaway PSGL. And during it all guess what happened? The strong teams remained strong and the weaker teams (in the lower tier) remained weak. Why? My guess would be a lack of coaching and infrastructure.

By the way, for those interested, it's also my understanding that the Sutherland Seahawks fielded TWO TEAMS in the NSWGFL for a brief period of time during this split. Didn't work.

Once the split between the Leagues occurred teams were forced to play others in their own League and therefore get stronger or die. Competition breeds improvement...division breeds mediocrity. But of course that's only my opinion which you would scoff at for being inferior to yours.

If you want a team to watch take a look at the Central Coast Sharks. They have a great pool of athletes to draw from they have smart people heading up the organisation and they have experienced and dedicated coaches. They will be a powerhouse in the years to come...give them time.

By way of contrast the Newcastle University Thunder failed because they lacked these same core ingredients.

So before accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about maybe a history lesson and getting your own facts straight first might help you.

Did I keep it simple enough for you?

By ThinkSimple - 29/12/2011 9:24:15 PM

Apologies to all. this is quite a long post and the first part is really dealing with an issue between Panda and myself. Please skip to Part 2 for the actual discussion on the topic.

---------Part 1-----------@Panda

Again with the personal?

I chose not to address your personal attacks directly last time in a hope that we could remove the personal from this discussion. So lets put this to bed right now.

Challenge!!

1: please show me where i suggested that I "know best" and that i am of "superior intelligence" keeping in mind that in order to do this you would need a reference point ie, when I have singled out an individual or group to be of a lesser stance.

2: please show me where i have "Schoffed" at your opinion or where i have said that your opinion is "inferior" to mine. In fact the opposite is true. i am very interested in yours and everyone else's opinion and i welcome them. Hearing different opinions is a great way to learn new things or reaffirm your own thoughts. It would be boring if we all agreed all the time.

3: please show me where i "accused you of not know what you're talking about".

Now panda, if you can reply directly to any or all of the above points with quotes from any of my posts on this forum that supports your claims i will gladly offer you my public and sincere apology and as an added bonus i'll even shut up about the division idea (which i assume is your primary motivation for the constant personal attacks in your posts on this topic). If you cannot meet the challenge however, I would ask that you please refrain from making slanderous unsubstantiated attacks in future posts and just stick to the topic. Ultimately, that's what we should be talking about.

One last thing before i move on. I have never said i am against "expansion". I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion but it is wrong. I am all for expansion as i am also for divisions but the 2 are separate issues which was the point of the post that i think got you so upset in the first place.

-------------Part 2--------------

In response to the rest of your post a sincere thank you for the education. You are indeed well versed on the history of this league and i thank you for sharing your knowledge.

If i may paraphrase your argument in an attempt to understand you fully, and apologies if this is incorrect, your argument is we've had divisions before and it didn't work so lets not try them again?

This is a valid so much in that you could say "to repeat the same action and expect different results is insanity". This is a very true statement and you'll get no argument from me on that point. Extrapolated to its natural end this argument leads to situations where new ideas are tried once and forever shunned if they fail. To use an extreme example to illustrate the failing of this approach, You build a bridge, it collapses, you never build another bridge again. I'm not sure that this approach leads to the best outcomes. Bridges are awesome as could divisions be by implementing the lessons learned from history.

The other idea i took from your post was the notion that 2 divisions leads to Div 2 being "mediocre" implying that no team in div 2 would ever become a competitive div 1 team and hence defeating the very purpose of the 2 division system. I'll disagree with you on this one, not due to anyone's opinion being "inferior" but by simply asking the question of any mustangs players out there. If the mustangs were in Div2 (as they would be based on the standings at the end of the 2011 season if there were to be 5 teams in div1) would you be wanting to play in div1 or would you happily dwell in mediocrity in div2 as panda suggests?? (i would really love to hear some feedback from mustang players on this).

By Panda - 29/12/2011 10:58:28 PM

Mmm I see your point. "Think Simple" it is then.

For a start, people using big words should perhaps think about their correct use and meaning. You wrote, "2: please show me where i have "Schoffed" at your opinion". Not sure what you meant there as I used the word "scoff" which basically is a noun meaning, "showing your contempt by derision [syn: jeer, scoffing, mockery, jeering]"

As for me citing examples where you have denegrated people, think you know better, etc. read your own posts first. I don't want an apology from you, public or otherwise, and I know that you won't/can't refrain from your agenda on two divisions. My comments about your posts are NOT unsubstantiated. They are about your posts...stuff that you've written...get it? You're making suggestions from a base of limited knowledge and then frothing at the mouth when people have a differing opinion. That's my point...get it?

Okay, with that out of the way let's get on to your other point, namely that 2 Divisions will be the saviour of the sport in this (and any other) State.

You cite the cause of the Mustangs - the 6th place team - who would want to be in the top tier rather than the second, and I agree with you on that front. I would also agree that the 5th place team - aka the bottom team in the top tier - would also want to fight against relegation. But as someone has already mentioned, what happens if the 5th place team (the UTS in 2011 I believe) simply had bad year due to injuries, etc.? Are they then dropped to Div 2 in 2012 where, with a healthy roster, they decimate everyone? Mmm, great idea that one!

And also let's look at the case of the bottom two teams in Div 2. Let's call them Team 9 and Team 10 so as not to insinuate disrespect here. How does 9 vs. 10 a number of times each season improve theirplay? Or is a win regardless of the level of competition all that matters. With the greatest of respect, also take the time to canvas the opinion of the Sharks' and Raiders' players from 2011. I'm sure they'd rather play tougher teams, take their lumps, and learn to improve, than to play a cushy schedule each year. And before you get on to another high-horse, I'm not suggesting that they play the Lions every week, or teams of that ilk.

It may come as a complete surprise to you to learn that the League has had a structured Draw each season now for years, where the schedule is based on ranking from previous seasons. That way each team plays a mixture of tougher and easier opponents based on the standings from the previous year.

Is that a perfect system? No of course not, but it's a more effective method than splitting teams based on the "haves" and the "have nots".

Arguably the best system would be for each team to play everyone else the same number of times, i.e. twice each year, etc. In a 10 team League that would be unsustainable as it means 18 games and there are not enough players, Officials, or venues for that to happen. Playing each team once is also not ideal as it's only 9 games and if you asked just about any player they would say they wanted more rather than less games.

So there is no "perfect" answer. Personally I think the League Exec are getting it right and there is no need to dicker with the system to make the "weaker" teams feel good about themselves. That won't help them get better.

Better coaching, better teaching, and better competition will help them get better.

By kiwi-outlaws65 - 30/12/2011 12:09:02 AM

Whoa guys damn yas can write some long posts but all very valid but i must say yea try to keep it non personal...As for comp expansion I think it's a great idea but yea teams should have to show they have the financial backing to be around for a while & not a flash in the pan club but mostly what needs to be there is the quality in coaching & admin for clubs to succeed .. Not to blow our own horn but outlaws have had a few lean years lately then super coach gaff(COTY in our eyes) did really well with us this year with 3/4 of our squad rookies ... I hope the 2 teams newy n southern highlands are available to participate will be good for the sport .... Well have a great new year all n all y'all seniors get out there & watch ya future teammates n superstars during the colts season .... Go chiefs 2012

By Panda - 30/12/2011 1:55:39 AM

Oh kiwi-outlaw you're such a funny fellow!

The reason you don't like long posts is that you have a short attention span - lol. And I've read back through your posts and you would never, ever make any personal comments! (Mmm...okay maybe one or two - lol)

For some reason though we still love you.

By Lions53 - 30/12/2011 7:21:53 AM

Personally I'm not in favour of the divisional system for GNSW ... if that system was in place, then the Outlaws would never have been able to go from 2nd last in 2010 to 2nd at the end of the 2011 regular season. Not to mention that every year there is always a tight tussle between up to 5 teams vying for final positions in the final systems so a divisional system would kill off. A multi-division system is only helpful if the league expands to such a size that we can't play all the teas at least once, so that's not likely in the next 10-15 years.

Also I agree with Panda in that the core to improving lower ranked teams is coaching and technique development. This has been the core of the Syd Uni's development from the low of 1999 (where we missed out of the playoff's and had a playing roster of about 20-24 people - we were forced to forfeit the first game of 2000 for not having enough players registered). Coaching and technique development includes systems to bring junior players and coaches through to enhance their knowledge and skills

Note that as senior players and coaches, Sydney Uni has regularly offered (and that offer still stands) to assist any team with coaching and technique development - but we don't have exclusive rights to the internet where much of the information or links can be sourced we are always happy to share these links with anyone ...

By Monkeyboy - 30/12/2011 7:48:18 AM

As a long time participant in this League, I would hate for it to turn to a 2 tier league. I think it would do absolutely nothing for the lower placed teams. The top teams will attract the better quality player within Sydney. Imagine a good athlete who wants to play,say living in around the St George area for example. He looks at the NSW gridiron website, sees the Seahawks and Raiders in Div 2. He then heads to Pirates or UTS or Uni. Makes them stronger. Lets be honest, nobody wants to play for a losing team. Coaching, recruitment and talent becomes even harder for the lower placed teams. Without quality coaching to help these struggling clubs, they continue to fall behind the top teams. The top teams need to help the lower placed teams with info/resources/coaching. I will also add that I am from one of the "top teams".

2 divisions with only 9-10 teams in total is ridiculous. Some teams will get a tougher draw in the season then what other teams get at the moment. They might get Uni or Pirates twice. But if you want to be the best you need to beat the best, and you cannot do that from Division 2.

BTW, ThinkSimple, I concur fully with Panda. It is just that he is more eloquent than me and put it all more so nicely.

By Thomas in London - 30/12/2011 9:12:35 AM

I have been following the posts with interest and thecurrent 9 team competition will not help if split in two divisions is just nodoable and having been through it myself in the early 90’s it did not help thegrowth of the sport or the development and expansion of the league in NSW or inSydney for that matter obviously as mentioned there was the breakaway issuethat damaged the sport for several seasons, having seen it firsthand I am not that keen on a 2 division setup withthe current amount of teams at present.

No offence to the people in the Southern Highlands or Newcastle these expansionareas are out of the catchment areas for Sydney and Wollongong and CentralCoast are far enough as it is and I don't think they will help in the long termviability of the sport in Sydney which in effect it has always been Sydneybased competition. I am not saying don’t welcome them but make sure they areviable entities.

There hasn't been a team in North Sydney or Northern Beaches for nearly 10years the lack of expansion there is worrying for the future of thesport. How do you solve this particular puzzle?

My personal opinion is to keep consolidating the existing resources and by allmeans welcome a new team for 2012, be it a Highlands, Newcastle or anothersource but instead of fully accepting it into the league make a probationaryteam playing friendly or exhibition matches and if proven that they are here tostay then accept them into the proper draw for 2013, this will be an insuranceand protection to the league and reduce the risk of having a draw going southif a team folds and also proves how serious and committed is a the new team.

This is a proven model in Europe it may sound harsh but isat least fair.

The other side of the coin is coaching skill and developmentwhich is still lack based on the forums, I would go as far as telling newteams or existing teams through a mandatory directive from the league that allnew teams should have a qualified coach. Also existing teams should have as aminimum 2 qualified coaches by a certain date. This may not happen overnightbut it will help in stabilising teams and personnel by having qualified peoplein situ.

Infrastructure is something that needs looking as part ofthe overall package and how to improve a club setup, I have mentioned in aseparate post that a long term survival requires finding a community sport andjoin together and start Community Amateur Sports Clubs (CASC).

By ThinkSimple - 30/12/2011 8:14:42 PM

@Thomas in London, @MonkeyBoy and @Lions53 All make excellent points and I can see how 1 Division, at the moment, makes more sense than 2. Thankyou Guys. (and thanks for sticking to the topic without making it personal, i appreciate that even more)

Its been a lively discussion point for sure. I guess that's what forums are really all about. Bashing idea's around (not people) and seeing what comes out.

@Panda, now that i am in agreement with you i hope that we can build a bridge and repair any damage that has been caused to our relationship. I certainly am not on this forum to p!ss people off and make enemies. I love this sport and i look forward to becoming a part of the community. If i have offended you i sincerely apologies. It was not my intent and I'm still not sure how i managed it. Perhaps my writing style is what you find irksome. I'm sure face to face we'd get along like a house on fire. We both have a passion for this game and i look forward to learning from your experience in the future.

By Panda - 30/12/2011 9:23:22 PM

ThinkSimple we don't need to build a bridge to repair our relationship. We don't have a relationship. We have opinions and for the most part they have differed. If the issues raised by others on this forum have caused you to change your opinion then so be it. If not, hurray for that too.

For the record, and if I didn't make it clear before, I'm not opposed to a 2 Division structure, but as my learned colleagues have mentioned its impractical with a 9 or even 10 team League. As happened in the early '90s when there were 14 or more teams, it was virtually impossible for the League to structure a Draw that comprised of that many teams. It became a natural progression to have two divisions simply due to the numbers. Any less than 14 makes a two division setup unnecessary.

So to paraphrase your earlier post, if a bridge collapses do you say, "we'll stop building bridges?". No. You say, "let's stop building THAT type of bridge." or you use a better design for the bridge...much the same was as the League Executive are doing now with the structure of the League and the Draw.

And Thomas in London...I agree that the League needs a team on the Northern Beaches but the trouble is getting the people to get one started.

Also Thomas, it's my understanding that the League already has requirements in place regarding coaching accreditation and standards. I actually think that has led