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NSWGFL 2009 Season

UWS.Outlaws#19 — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:14:06 GMT

Thought id get the topic started; my bad if there was another one i didnt see it.

Just moved back from Melbourne so im glad i didnt have to play for a Victorian team. Go OUTLAWS !!

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Coach19 — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:14:06 GMT

I've been off the air lately, so haven't seen this string...

Just to clarify: the players were chosen based primarily on Wolfpack coach's assessments and scouting. This began from Week 1 of the regular season and saw about 300 players listed and rated. The goal was for each player to have at least two assessments made of them, with players rated from 5 stars - elite level - to 1 star - unlikely. Scouting was done live and by film. Though club coach's input was welcomed and asked for, this system was a departure from the old system of coaches simply submitting a list of names without any real grading. The goal of this system was to put us in the position to select the best squad possible.

In the end A candidates were selected and these are players the coaches felt had scouted best in their play over the season. B Candidates were ones that had areas in their game that needed work, or were coming back from injury etc. The reality is that there will be a number of B candidates who make the squad as we rep them in the skills that we need them to work.

As for the Sharks players, rest assured that no player missed out on selection because they were included. Coach Tos gave his input, but also the players were scouted by Wolfpack coaches. Yes, their lack of consistent playing experience during the regular season is an issue, but they are a member team of Gridiron NSW and also we didn't want to miss a 'diamond in the rough' if one pops up.

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

PPM — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:32:07 GMT

Thanks G-Unit.

As I said I wasn't trying to talk them down I just wasn't sure what the process was.

Best of luck to the Wolfpack - kick some butt!

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

G-unit — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:36:32 GMT

From what I have heard all gridironNSW teams (which the sharks are one) were asked to submit a list of players they thought were suitable for the state side. On top of this wolfpack coaches were scouting at games (including the GF warm up game) checking the submitted list and adding other players.

From that selection a number of A candiate players were named (players that have demonstrated a skill set that suits the proposed schemes and from game day play, the coaches believe are ready to contribute at state) and a number of B candiadates named (good players that dont fit the A category for some reason eg they were injured and didnt play as much, are good but dont nessesarily fit the scheme but the coaches want another look etc)

If you look at the list at the league website the sharks players are only listed in the category B candiates. So from my personal rational I would believe that they are players that have been identified as having some raw talent and the coaches would like to see them tested and what they can do in contact drills.

This is my understanding, I am sure coach19 will jump on and clarify if i have made some.

On a personal note if the sharks players are training hard, learning the game and can contribute to another winning Wolfpack squad I am all for their inclusion.

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

PPM — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:48:56 GMT

I just wanted to ask a question in regards to Wolfpack.

Now I don't think I am close to good enough to play so please don't think I am a disgruntled player who wasn't chosen.

But I noticed that there were a few Sharks players listed on the squad. How was this decision made as most of their team have never played a proper game of 11 man football? I watched them play against the Predators (well 1/3 of the Predators) in the 7 a side exhibition match and they were thrashed 38 - 0 or something similar.

Was this decision made to give them some confidence/experience? As I would have thought that you needed to play regular season games to get selected. I understand wanting to give them experience but it means that their are players (who may have just missed selection) from teams who played all season are missing out for guys who haven't even played a full game before which seems unfair.

Anyway not trying to take away from the guys who were selected just wanted to know the process.

Good luck guys and kill those dirty Melbournites!

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

rt75 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:57:26 GMT

[quote][b]Hoofhearted (22/12/2009)[/b][hr]Iremember reading somewhere on the GA website not long ago about a proposed national club championship, where the top 2 sides from each state would compete. I think the idea was for it to be held in 2011 or 2012???[/quote]

Yeah, GA announced it to be held beginning 2012. Though whether it will actually end up happening is very questionable with all the costs associated and timing it all, though if they are planning it already and working these things out they have plenty of time to make it happen.

[url=]https://www.clubsonline.com.au/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_main&NewsID=9492&orgid=885&cfid=46504061&cftoken=76700762&dts=23122009501047[/url]
[quote]2012 National Senior Club Champions Challenge
Gridiron Australia is pleased to announce a national champions club challenge set for 2012, which will see the two championship finalists in each state/territory from the respective 2011 senior seasons progress to a knockout competition to crown Australia's first national club champion. Challenge to kick off late January 2012. More details to follow.[/quote]

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Hoofhearted — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:52:55 GMT

I remember reading somewhere on the GA website not long ago about a proposed national club championship, where the top 2 sides from each state would compete. I think the idea was for it to be held in 2011 or 2012???

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Boltz66 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:49:29 GMT

All cost's and logistic issues aside, that would be a pretty good tournament.

Are we able to find things like each teams for and against for the 2009 seasons?

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Shacky — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:23:24 GMT

yeah, the logistics and cost involved would always be prohibitive for an event of this kind... virtually no chance in getting all side's 'complete teams' to attend such a competition.

Perhaps an off season 'mandatory training session' in Mildura (or somewhere in the middle) might be necessary ;)

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

No Axe to Grind — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:15:45 GMT

Shacky,

Thanks for the heads up. I put the "first to 300" claim out there knowing that someone would shoot it down if I was wrong. I will go back and edit the article on our website. I frankly did not appreciate your team was so dominant down there.

By the way, I tried to put a club championship event together between the NSW, Qld, Vic and ACT champions 2 seasons ago. We found a window around the Labour Day week-end where we could all play and I had a venue and accommodation lined up, but I could not get sponsorship and it proved too much for the other clubs to handle. If the Razorbacks are interested, then we should put our heads together to see if we can come up with a way to make a club event work. The Stingrays were the most interested of the other clubs the last time I tried.

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

G-unit — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:13:28 GMT

whats your record over the combined championship years?

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Shacky — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:32:33 GMT

yes, ours are including preliminary and grandfinal games - as does Uni's according to the Uni website:

[quote]Out of the 300 games, 45 of them (15%) have been playoff or championship games.[/quote]

wondering if Darren Mitchell might like to ask for that plaque back and express post it the Hogs camp :P

In all seriousness though - congrats on the 300 guys and well done on such a successful history!

FTR - the exact breakdown as of today:

~~Reg season games : 227 wins, 43 losses & 6 draws = TOTAL 276~~

~~Finals games: 29 wins, 8 losses = TOTAL 37~~

just spoke to our league statistician - she corrected the numbers:

300th game played on Dec 20th 2008

Reg season games: 228 wins, 44 lost, 8 drawn. - total 280 (81.43%)

Finals games: 29 won, 8 lost - total 37 (78.38%)

TOTAL games: 257 wins, 52 lost, 8 drawn - total 317 (81.07%)

none of these wins/losses include forfeited matches or cancellations due to weather etc. I'm guessing you don't included Forfeited wins in your 300 total either?

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

G-unit — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:22:35 GMT

Of your 300 games are any of those playoffs?

Our 300 was not including playoffs, trials etc. 300 regular season games.

Congrats on your win esp since it sounds like you guys had to dig deep in the post season after a less than perfect regular season.

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Shacky — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:02:27 GMT

whatever helps you sleep at night my friend :P

[quote]In the 300 games, Sydney Uni has faced a total of 28 different teams. 21 of those teams no longer exist.[/quote]

fantastic league :P

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Load66 — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:51:19 GMT

However, we did ours in a real league...

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Shacky — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:42:20 GMT

congrats guys on your 7th in a row... we (the Razorbacks) have just won our 5th in a row - 2 more to catch up, so if you guys could stop winning now it would be much appreciated ;)

just noticed on the Uni website http://www.sydneyunigridiron.com/News.html#selected the claim of the following:

[quote]Sydney Uni became the first team in Gridiron NSW - and in any Australian league - to play 300 senior competition games on Saturday[/quote]

sorry guys, but the Hogs hit our 300 on the February 7th 2009 - with a record after that game of 247 wins, 47 losses, 6 draws giving us a win percentage of 82.33% FTW :P

as of this past weekend or total games numbered 313games, 256 wins, 51 losses & 6 draws, dropping our win percentage slightly to 81.79%

18 premierships in 25 seasons.

I think a national club championship might be on the cards for ultimate bragging rights ;) - Uni vs Stingers vs Hogs

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

rt75 — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:35:58 GMT

Lions win their 7th straight NSWGFL championship. 34-26

tough hard fought game on both sides of the ball

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Outlaw63 — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:28:30 GMT

Congratulation to the lions on their victory!

Well done Matty Croasdaile with your 4 rushing TD's

I left b4 the end but I think it was 34 - 26 or something

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Boltz66 — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:06:56 GMT

woohoo!! GF time! Could be the year for an upset, good luck to both teams. Be waiting on the report!

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

aj51 — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:47:35 GMT

Championship Day is almost here and once again it's the Brain Bowl, Uni vs UTS.

Since making their first playoffs in 2005, Uni and UTS have contested 3 times in the playoffs in four years, including two Warath Bowls. Each game has been tough and close, with never more than a converted (2 point) TD in it.

This season saw the Lions overpower UTS in their first meeting but having to pull out all the stops in the second, to scrape a 3 point win. The question is, and has been since that game; Can UTS raise their bar further or have they shot their bolt? The playoff win again the Pirates was 10-0 until a two TD burst late in the fourth quarter, and this against a Pirate team missing their starting QB. The Lions should be a far more formidable opponent and they are at pretty much full strength.

The Lions ran roughshod over the League until their second meeting with the Pirates, who really forced Uni to dig deep for a late comeback win. UTS did the same the next week, possibly making the Lions work even harder. Still Uni was successful both times. The playoff game against the Seahawks wasn't the prettiest game but the Lions were clinical in their execution, despite two KO return TD's. The big question around the Lions is do they still have enough left in the tank? And do they want it still?

Key matchups for this game.
[b]Uni pass rush vs UTS QB Jean Prill[/b]
When given time to find his receivers, this young bloke can make the pass. He's also a threat scrambling with the football. The Uni defensive line has to get pressure on. I don't think UTS can effectively run inside against them but when they had time to pass they made plays. The Lions need to nullify this.

[b]UTS Outside running game vs Lion containment[/b]
The Pirates got some yards out of it. UTS got some plays out of it and the Seahawks managed to keep drives going with it. Running up the middle on the Lions is a waste of time unless you have a top notch offensive line. There's only one of those going around NSW at the moment and the Lions D-Line trains against it every week.

Going around the outside seems to be a healthier option against the Lions and I think they'll see a lot of the option considering the outside speed of the UTS QB and RB/WB. Deep completions to receivers will also help here with the force man more worried about the receiver than the running lane. If the Lions can close this or limit it, then UTS only has their passing attack and this hasn't been as consistent as they will need, although it has improved. The open field tackling will need to improve as well as this has been letting the defence down in situations where they have covered the outside run effectively.

[b]UTS Defensive front seven vs Lions running game.[/b]
So far the points go the the Lions, especially their offensive line. They have managed an effective ground game each time they have played UTS and in the last meeting, it was the ability to pound the football, rather than big plays passing, that determined the outcome. UTS has never managed to take away the Uni running game and Uni has ridden behind their experienced O-Line to six consecutive Championship games. Unlike UTS, Uni will live between the tackles and dare UTS to fill the box. In two games they have rushed for just shy of 350 yards (347). Expect more on the weekend.

[b]Lions coverage teams vs UTS return teams.[/b]
Normally this wouldn't rate a mention, until the Lions gave up three KO return TD's including two last week.

Big plays decide big games. The Lions have had a length-of-the-field punt return and 70 yard run in two Championship wins against UTS. Key plays at key times. They haven't given up the same thing (well not at key times) and will need to be sure that they don't allow for momentum changing plays off special teams, unless it's their own.

There is some feeling around the League that this could be the year Uni is de-throned in NSW. Certainly there have been a couple of close calls but winning becomes a habit, one that allows good teams to dig their way out of holes and get the win. Uni know how to do this.

UTS will want to start fast and keep their foot down. In a drag out game of trade the scores they have come out second best every time. Uni will be wanting to control the tempo of the game, keep the ball and pound UTS on both sides of the line. Given the history it should still be a close game [b]Uni 33 - 27 UTS[/b].

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Eagle44 — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:56:50 GMT

Just wanted to wish all the lads from UTS and US all the best for the Grand Final tomorrow. There are a bunch of us from the Adelaide Eagles who would have loved to come up to support you but we have our own Semi tomorrow night at 730.

Have a good one gents....

Kieran

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Monkeyboy — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:19:24 GMT

Vewy Vewy quiet in here. Are the Uni boys(Syd and Tech) all behaving themselves. Where are they hiding. Are they taking this seriously. Do the UTS boys think they have a chance. Are the Lions boys worried. Are they all under directions and instructions from Dunny and Bosco to keep quiet. Suprising for a couple of talkers in both teams.

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

aj51 — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:29:00 GMT

[quote][b]Lions53 (9/12/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]Coach19 (9/12/2009)[/b][hr]I was there on the sideline for the Dave Allen INT for 6 versus UTS... however there is a typo in his post: he meant to write '8' yards on the return, not '80'.[/quote]

Many people look back remember where they were that day ...[/quote]

Yeah I was behind the video camera Dave and I still have the footage....8 yards! :P

Unfortunately he's correct about the career interceptions returned for a TD.

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Lions53 — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:25:53 GMT

[quote][b]Coach19 (9/12/2009)[/b][hr]I was there on the sideline for the Dave Allen INT for 6 versus UTS... however there is a typo in his post: he meant to write '8' yards on the return, not '80'.[/quote]

Many people look back remember where they were that day ...

RE: NSWGFL 2009 Season

Coach19 — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:58:21 GMT

I was there on the sideline for the Dave Allen INT for 6 versus UTS... however there is a typo in his post: he meant to write '8' yards on the return, not '80'.