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With the likes of Terrell Owens, Tiki Barber and Randy Moss among a few others who speak out when they have a particular beef with their coach or a team mate, I'd like to ask... When is it cool to get back at that player by keeping them out of the club or league record books? For example, with less than a hand full of catches to eclipse an all time receiving record a player gets benched for no real reason or a running back a few yards short of an all time rushing record gets the hook for reasons like "The Club is moving in a new direction" or something weak like that. Tiki Barber is quoted as saying "He may still be in a Giants uniform if Tom Coughlin weren't head coach". In another statement he goes on to say "He robbed me of my love for the game".I've heard that statement from several ex-players here in NSW. Is it a power struggle, or something? Do some coaches/players just NOT know how to deal with each other on a personal level? Or is it a "Well I'll show him..." kind of thing? I thought this was a MANS game!!!
Edited: 7/09/2007 3:54:27 PM by
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I'm with you Saus. If a player has a problem with a coach, fellow player or team then he should suck it up and be a man, play through it... or if its too much then go play for another team. Very few of us in this league are actually under contract so giong from one team to another is no problem.
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Matt87 I agree also. At our level it is about choices. Coaches are appointed by their Club comittee's, when new coaches come in it is almost certain that not all established players are going to like any changes made. The player has a choice, train and play under the new scheme under a new coach the coaches way or leave and go to another club or just not play(not a prefered option). If a player is too loyal to the club to play somewhere else then he should approach the coach and sort it out. If they agree to disagree and the player still feels aggrieved go through the leadership group(captains) to assit in a solution. If they cant do any of the above then they have to take it on the chin.
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Matt87 (7/09/2007)
I'm with you Saus. If a player has a problem with a coach, fellow player or team then he should suck it up and be a man, play through it... or if its too much then go play for another team. Very few of us in this league are actually under contract so giong from one team to another is no problem.Funny you should use the term "Be A Man". That sometimes is taken the wrong way in THIS town. Me personally have never had a problem talking to people. But I have been a witness to others taking things out of context. Believe it or not, I've been told I'm unapproachable. Can you believe that??? ME... (Chris Snagg) unapproachable??? Get out of town!!! But yeah, Going to play for another team makes you a target. And people taking aim don't even know you half the time. I know a guy that went to play for the coogee bay dolphins. When I joined his old club, lots of the guys only had one goal for the season... Smash Danny!!! The guy left for good reasons but was still a target. Matt, you and I have had misunderstandings in the past where you took something I said way too serious. We had a chat after and all was good... So I thought. But like you said we "played through it". At any rate, at what level we play isn't the focus. And to take some edge off your rebuttal, it's not about one guy sucking it up! It's about communicating. Had Tiki had a chat to Coughlin man-to-man would that have solved their conflict? Look how long it took Strahan to resign. You think the coach is approachable if two of his best players would rather not play for him? Team loyalty does come into play as well, "Crazychikns". It's hard to just walk away from years of "Team Pride". But none of this has much to do with the original topic. Mathew, please go back and READ the original post! "With the likes of Terrell Owens, Tiki Barber and Randy Moss among a few others who speak out when they have a particular beef with their coach or a team mate, I'd like to ask... When is it cool to get back at that player by keeping them out of the club or league record books?" Let's not get personal, youngster.
Edited: 8/09/2007 3:11:38 PM by
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Post #14587
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Back to your point, is it not subjective as to why the player is left out?? One side could argue and probably rightly so that its payback. The other side says its because the player is not conforming to team rules or does not fit into the current scheme. Is it the coaches fault the player does not agree with the coaches ways? Is it the coaches fault the player feels the need to speak out and take the individual road and not the team road? Its all subjective to what side of the fence you stand I guess.As a player you develop and the better you get the more opinions you get on how to play the game through various coaches and players you deal with. Some players become frustrated because of their strong beliefs that may differ from a coach who has control over that players game time. The player can rectify all that once they stop playing and take up a coaching role where they will then find a player just like he was who challenges and questions his methods, and so the cycle goes
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ok, i think get what ur asking sausage. I think the majority of the 'stars' get to be stars by being very very good at what they do. So if they are speaking out and are generally being difficult then in theory keeping them out of the game and thus the record books would be a viable punishment. However in reality we're talking about players that are being paid millions of wasted money. Also they have clauses written into their contract about how many games they play affecting bonus and other money, the club may leave themselves liable to a lawsuit if the player is left out of the game unless injured or suspended. Also if the allow the player to play and just dont give him the ball a) wasting a playeyer on the field b) they're a star/they're good, not giving them the ball might eventually hurt the team and thats obiously not something you want. Clearly this debate is one that we could publish pages on, i think maybe the easy way to look at it is. The coaching staff and advisors to any team are paid an enormous ammount of money and since no team activally has these types of punishments in place its safe to say that they arnt in the best interests of the team/geam otherwise they would be (inplace)peace out
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Post #14589
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The coach is responsible for the teams performance on a field not that of an individual player.There may have been other factors involved ,Attitude for one, its happened at our club level where a team members attitude has affected the players around them as a coach sometimes the best couse of action is to bench a player whos bitching to get the rest of the team to perform .A player is ranked by records ,a coach is ranked by wins as for using the record books to punish a player,I may have an idealistic view but IMHO you should always play the best team available with the exception of getting rookies game time . As for the approaching coaches ,always try to sort that in house .I've played for some coaches that ive disagreed with for one reason or another,some ive spoken to and clarified my thoughts others ive just sucked it up.Always ive learnt whatever i could from each coach,some prefer not to be approached but if it came down to talking to the coach or leaving my club whats the cost of a conversation ?
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Only diff between our leagues and the NFL is that the OZ leagues are usually quite a tight community where everyone knows eachother and it's hard for players to not take it to heart when another player leaves to play for another club, especially if it's a rival one.
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I intentionally didnt comment on this in my earlier post but....I personally dont agree with getting upset over a player transferring clubs if its for the right reasons Guys that relocate or have a team start up closer to where theyre at should never be an issue ,we all spend enough time training ,officiating and playing that to add significant travel time can put a strain on the home life If on the other hand a guy changes club to get back at someone or because of a beef that they failed to resolve ,hes fair game as are all players not wearing the same colour jersey as me . Yes you will play harder against that player as you will know his game slightly better than another players. But i'd never personally "aim up" just because a player had changed clubs
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sausage (7/09/2007)
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I know a guy that went to play for the coogee bay dolphins. When I joined his old club, lots of the guys only had one goal for the season... Smash Danny!!! The guy left for good reasons but was still a target.
Having been a guy who had relocated clubs in a state, I have been on the receiving end of this sort of mentality, and funnily enough it mostly come from guys I had never played with or really intereacted with, besides on the field. The old guys I had played with, understood why I left, well most of them.
The first time I played my "old team", they were so intent on "bashing" me, that we racked up 62 points on them.
This is a game, that most of us pay to play. If you chose to pay to play elsewhere, then so be it. People just need to get over it, and move on with life.
Cheers
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