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 Posted 5/10/2007 3:52:51 PM
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Love To Run (3/10/2007)

I am still of the opinion that we recently blew our best chance of any form of a higher than local community based football when we let the Arena form of the game slip through our fingers so to speak.

This modified indoor version had the potential to showcase a smaller number(Smaller team numbers less travel costs)of the clubs athletes across the country with genuine US possibilities for some of them. We dropped the ball with a piss poor effort in running and promoting the first event here in Sydney which caused a general apathy through the rank and file to any future event. Those who particiated in it and the subsequent tour in the US had nothing but praise for it. The Arena organisation where keen to get stuck in so to speak but we again lacked the unity across the country we should have to the sport itself as an overall guiding factor rather than what is best for me and my team.


Sadly, I think you're absolutely right in this respect.

Arena wouldn't have put too much of a drain on any existing clubs - to the contrary, I'm sure it would have bolstered their ranks with the associated spike in interest in the game.

As I've said before, the little game of gridiron in Australia actually had interest from a solid football organization in the US, and not only did "we" turn our backs, but "we" slapped them in the face for good measure.

It'll be a long time before anyone else in the US with any type of money comes knocking on G.A.'s door, and without that kind of money, a national competition is a pipe dream.


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 Posted 5/10/2007 7:58:48 PM
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i think you will find that the AFL weren't actually offering any monetary incentives to get the game started here.

The way I understand it, they were charging us the same licencing fees they would charge anyone and we couldnt afford it.



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 Posted 5/10/2007 10:53:01 PM
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[quote]Love To Run (3/10/2007)
Darren sorry to correct you but the idea as presented in this forum was nothing like what we envisaged in the Mid 90's with the Rebels.

Yeah Penguin I couldnt remember all the details but knew it was something to do with National.  You are right about all the rest though and its a pitty.  But such is life.

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 Posted 6/10/2007 4:01:24 AM
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You guys could still run an Arena style competition in Australia. If the licensing costs were a negative factor, there are other versions of the indoor game you could use for free (just don't use the nets and the Arena system). With your climate and by playing at the right time, you could even play the game outdoors. I think the opportunity is still there to do something but as LTR alludes that is probably not anyone's focus right now.
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 Posted 22/10/2007 12:34:26 AM
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I believe all that this sport needs is constant recruting not clubs saying we tried in the past and it didnt work so we dont bother with it anymore, i got into gridiron when i found out it existed in australia ive never heard a single person say anything about the sport here in south australia it is so unknown still now people dont even know what the sport is about, how are they supposed to know it exists when no one is bothering to mention it and promote it, i gladly put up posters around gyms leave business cards around places but where are the other members of our leagues to do the same. im not saying that i am the only person doing it as i am sure there are people who do better than me but these people are a minority, there is no way we can have a national league with the way our local leagues are now when members start promoting the league than we might have something to talk about

 
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 Posted 22/10/2007 7:11:02 PM
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[ there is no way we can have a national league with the way our local leagues are now when members start promoting the league than we might have something to talk about

At last another wise man and from interstate.  I agree totally wityh you and in the past have been shot down in Vic for saying exactly as you have.   In the past  we have asked GV to pay for Posters promoting the Game in Vic but no.  We as a club have looked at Cinema advertising at $400 per week and are currently talking about doing same at strategic times.  If a club can why not the leagues?????

I find too much emphasis on state teams but they dont grow the sport, put some cash into marketing.  any sort will do as a start.  It shouldnt just be up to clubs.

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 Posted 23/10/2007 9:11:35 PM
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$400 a week for advertising is quiet a bit for a local sport and it might not be as effective i think that fliers in local malls handed out to guys would probobly be most effective.

 
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 Posted 23/10/2007 9:54:40 PM
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A wise man said to me once if you think you want to spend money on advertising go and take a cold shower and if you still do take another one.

In order for advertising to be effective you need to spend big and I mean big. $400 per week is peanuts in the scheme of things when it comes to advertising. The best form of advertising is free. Articles for local papers who crave content and will print pretty much anything you write especially if you have a photo. Linking with charities and festivals etc to link in with their paid/free advertising and local teams in their local area doing the Bunnings BBQ, the shopping centre promo etc etc. No league has the $$ to make the adverstisig $$ spend justifiable. No club has enough to afford $400 per week in cinima advertising. They would be better reducing the cost to the participant of playing in the first place.

Reality is local clubs must do what the can locally to lift the profile and the participation rate and if all clubs did it then the sport would be become more recognised. Whilst Darren disagrees if the former was done then the State team can be used as a vehicle to lift the league/association but it requires those same local paper articles etc being submitted all around for the benifit of the state league/team All that will help raise the profile without spending a huge amount of money to a point where perhaps some people might then decide to tip a little into the kitty and the cycle starts again. None of this is rocket science it just takes some thought, some planning and some execution and all levels to pull it off and the sport would return to the levels it saw in the early 90's when these sorts of things where done on a consistant basis. We do not need to re-invent the wheel just look at our own history.

Croydon Festival, Charity 4th of July games etc etcjust to name 2

food for thought perhaps

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 Posted 24/10/2007 7:21:33 AM
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Mark stop it you are at it again.  

Yeah as i said we are discussing the Cinema idea, we have done AALL that has been mentioned and still doing so.  The cinema thing would be an addition and to a HIGH volume of people if it can be done at the right strategic time. 

I am all for using the state team to attract people but hey it hasnt and doubt it will.  Sure if the local leagues want to get in on the marketing which is what i am trying to get them to do then use the state team in all posters etc then no one club can say hey why wasnt our club players featured etc.  Use state team footage of course in that way it is good and would help promote the sport.   all I am saying is although it is Great to have state teams and nationals those alone do nothing to this point to expand the game at our level.  If that can change sensational, lets do it.

But if our club has to do it all alone in our areas then dont expect us to promote anything else but our club for our club.  If people want us to do it for everyone then everyone should be helped out by their respective leagues.

Mark as you said its not rocket science nor new.  Lets just get fair dinkum and do the the leg work and YES everyone will be better off.

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 Posted 4/12/2007 1:08:51 AM
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Gridiron in Australia (or in each state) needs a major sponsor.

Look at what Netball is doing with their comp. I am not trying to say that Gridiron is at the stage where it could become a totally professional league, but ANZ is dumping heaps of money into it as is FOXTEL who will carry broadcast rights.

Players are going from earning $30,000 max (and some as low as $1,500) to players earning $30,000 min.

The only thing that has changed between their last comp and their new comp is sponsorship. Obviously the sponsor are in because they think they can make a buck. And the participation rate in Australia is really, really high (which is why the A-league will become big money).

I don't propose to know how, when, where etc such sponsor ship will come. But I would suggest it would need to be an American company with name recognition here.

With the money (which needn't be measured with 7 digits, but certainly 6 digits) could come proper marketing, exhibitions, College team tours etc.

I want to see Gridiron at Suncorp Stadium dammit! Wink.

Really easy to say. Really hard to do. But I think every Gridiron player could work their asses off to market and spread the word and it still wouldn't make up for dollars.

The owner of the Patriots has dropped heaps of money into Israel flag football because of the Israel connection he has.

Australian gridiron needs a benefactor, corporate or NFL team sponsor.

But who? And is anyone at the stage league or GA level working on it?

Evan.
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