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 Posted 3/01/2010 8:44:18 AM
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Im not sure why it is supposed to be a big secret, nor do i think it should be...so i will tell you who applied.

Me(NSW), Paul Manera(NSW), John Roe(ACT), Garry Wilson(VIC) and John Leitjen(Lives in VIC but has no League affilation).

Also, Andrew Ogborne applied, but way after the deadline and his initial application wsnt accepted.

I withdrew my application and I believe that John Roe also withdrew his application leaving Paul, Garry and John as the only remaining applicants.



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 Posted 4/01/2010 1:11:29 AM
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Not often I'm moved to defend someone else on this scurrilous site, but the post about Coach Manera was way, way off the mark.

He's possibly one the best coaches I've had the pleasure of playing for - to quip that he's never coached a winning team is kinda like slating a guy for being loyal to a programme/team. He put a lot in to UTS at a time when they were a very bad team, and I think that he left some solid foundations for subsequent coaches to build on.

He asked a lot of the players a coach, and expected them to do their best to reach standards he knew they were capable of. I respect that in a coach.

I don't know what happened at Bondi in the season just past, but I guess he's a polarising figure there and there's other things I'm not aware of that don't taint my relationship with him.

I don't want to start a poll of Paul, just give him the respect he merits as a coach (in my opinion).


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Hey hey hey, its fat Albert.
My first post here in about 6 years....but I've always been visiting Smile

Outback chat.
As far as I am aware, I did not pull out of the HC application.

I applied because I was not going to have a program that I had helped build (99,01,03,05,07) go to shit because the rug got pulled out at the last second for the uk trip. I here Gaff stepped up with Pride to avoid disaster. Respect to Gaff there.

And just on my observation, I was not aware of Coaches jumping ship on Coach Manera. Its a style you have to get to know. Man, that first time up in D.U.B 99 Outback when Coach Manera and Coach Tos were screaming and swearing there heads of at each other on the head sets I was like what the %^%$%. But after the game there best mates. They just wanted the best for the team. Its a coaching style just like in the pro's but you gotta get used to it.

Anyway - who ever gets the HC job, I just hope I get to coach AIRFORCE 10 baby. The sexiest, best looking, fastest most points scoring receiver machines in Outback History. (Just like AIRFORCE 99 - 01 - 03 - 05 - 07).


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Lol - not bad for a one post wonder. I think all these guys deserve a measure of respect for the time and effort each puts into the game. They are all hard working individuals most of which I have spent a lot of time in and around with over the years and each loves the game and works to better it.

The trick for the selectors is not picking the good from the bad but to pick the best from the best, a tough ask for anyone.

A lot of what Gridiron is today here in Australia has been driven by these guys, Paul has been instrumental in the process of lifting the professionalism of the sport, instilling standards, holding players accountable to be athletes. Your going to like and hate these guys at different times, I hope they all get on board in some way, we could do worse.



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Gaff,

You may be right that my initial application for the Outback position was not accepted, but I have not been told that by Gridiron Australia.  I am still hopeful that my application will be considered on its merits. 

On a related matter, I would be interested in any grassroots feedback on a radical idea I have for a co-ordinated national team playbook. 

It is obviously very difficult to draw an all-star team together from the various states into a cohesive national team.  Yesterday's heavy loss by the Junior Outback team to American Samoa reinforces my view that the existing model of bringing together an all-star team for the first time shortly before a game or tournament and then training intensively in the days immediately before the game or tournament is a flawed model. Please understand that I am not in any way criticising anyone involved in the recent Junior Outback game. 

I have in mind a different model. 

The first part of the plan would be to prepare offensive, defensive and special teams playbooks for the Outback well in advance.  The offensive and defensive systems would be designed to give our national team the best chance of success against its likely World Cup opponents and to best take advantage of the abilities of our players in international competition.  The process would involve heavy consultation with the full Outback coaching staff and, also, with the head coaches of the state teams.

The second (and radical) part of the plan would be to require each state team to use the national playbooks for their teams in the Senior Nationals.  This may not be feasible for the 2010 Senior Nationals (although I would like to explore the possiblility), but perhaps Gridiron Australia could stage another senior tournament before the World Cup in 2011. 

First, the Outback coaches would hold a clinic for all of the state team coaches to make sure the systems were properly understood.  The state team coaches would then take the playbooks back to their states and coach their teams up for the tournament.  

A fair degree of flexibility would be built into the arrangement.  Each state team would be allowed a fixed number of plays (say 10) which they could add to the core plays.  These plays would be approved by the Outback coaches to ensure they fitted within the overall system, but would be unique to the individual state team (and unknown by the other state teams).  This would provide flexibility to the state coaches to adapt the playing systems to better suit their personnel.  A good deal of effort would need to be expended on this aspect of the plan to make sure each state team was able to adapt to suit its strengths.  While each state would have the same core playbooks, its coaches would have the freedom to call their games as they pleased.  They could run or pass and call their plays in whatever mix they liked.

The advantages of this model are immediately obvious.  All potential national players would be getting repetitions at the core plays in the national playbook.  Probably even more important would be that they would be learning the language of the system - the formation calls, the blocking calls, the blitz calls.  It would be an untold advantage to the Outback to have all the players coming into the team speaking the same language. 

By allowing the states the freedom to tailor the playbooks to their strengths, the senior tournament would become a testing laboratory for the systems themselves, testing and exploring the limits of the playing systems in a truly competitive environment.  A tournament played under these conditions would also be an ideal scouting tool, with the Outback coaches better able to compare apples with apples - with the players competing within the same systems - and better able to determine whether a player would fit the national system. 

The idea would obviously only work with a high level of co-operation with the state coaches.  However, my sense is that the states, and particularly the national players within those states, are more motivated than ever to try to put together a national team which truly reflects our national abilities.  Hopefully the state coaches would have a significant imput into the design process of the national playbook. 

As our state leagues are spread out so far across the country and our governing bodies and players do not have the financial resources to bring our national team together as often as is necessary to build a true team under the existing model, we need to think outside the square.  While my plan involves an unprecedented level of co-operation between the states, the recent success of the Senior Outback gives me hope that the time is right to take a bold step to advance the national team. 

I would be interested in any feedback.

Andrew Ogborne

Edited: 4/01/2010 2:27:18 PM by No Axe to Grind

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Hi John, Appologies for the misinformation - that was what i was told, but it was after i had resigned from the board, so it seems i was mislead (again)

Andrew, it was my understanding when i submitted your application for you that it was rejected due to the lateness ( At leas that is what i was told by the chairman) and that it would be considered if the applications were opened again....but again, i could be wrong



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Gaff,

Thanks for the heads up.  GA are obviously giving the coaching situation careful consideration, which is all anyone can ask for.  I completely support the process and am happy to await the final outcome.  In the meantime, I am interested to know whether you have a view on the co-ordinated national playbook idea I floated in my previous post.

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I like the idea of a national Team playbook that all the states can use as it expediates the learning process. This topic got me thinking about the possibility of putting together a manual for All Gridiron Clubs in Australia. The manual would cover Terminology, scheme and technique. EG, Cover 1 = Man to Man with 1 safety Playing Deep Zone etc..This would not only help the national teams as it  would also help the state teams and club teams that compete at the nationals. It would also be beneficial to  juniors transitioning through to seniors and would also serve as a common football language for new coaches getting involved with the game.
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I would like to ask the question, would these people all work together for the best of Gridiron in Australia. Because each on there merit has a case for the position.

Andrew's plans seem very good for the overall growth in Gridiron.

Roe no sorry Hollywood has put in a lot of effort and passion into the program over the last 10 or so years like Manera. Also he knows many of the current playing corp

John Leighton has spent time overseas and will also know many of the overseas players strengths and weakness that play in europe. but as he hasn't spent the time in the australian ranks will not know the players

Paul is the most techinical coach in Australia, and has done so well for NSW. He may have not done well in the NSW league with his time at UTS and Bondi. But his time at UTS he built the program up and he seems to be doing this know with Bondi after there problems of late. But this doesn't reflect on him as a coach at all

I honestly like Andrews ideas and i hope who ever gets the job(if he doesn't) put some of these idea's into action. But this is more like a coaching director for GA role than HC for the Outback team.

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As with many problems that afflict teams of all levels I have been part of (club, state, Oz) the core of the issues comes down to coaching. At each of these levels, there has not been an even level of knowledge/skills of players in many of the basic aspects of positional play. This post is not meant to throw anyone (players or coaches) under the bus, however highlight a point that is fairly easy to fix, and would yield excellent results at all levels.

With the rise of the internet, and video distribution models, there is absolutely no excuse for teams to be using techniques that are not sound. I mean this from an execution perspective- from a safety perspective, I think the coaching in this country is fine. Where is breaks down is when we get to the WHY of a technique. Too many times, players and coaches use a specific way of doing things because that is what they have been taught, and if it worked in the past, then it is the right thing to do. Offensive line is the position I know best, and some of the techniques guys are using is straight out of the 80s. Is this a bad thing? Not always. Is it a negative that coaches/players are not trying to better themselves, and see what information is available out there? Absolutely. We shouldn't only rely on what is taught from one Aussie to another, but by learning from US sources.

I really feel that GA should work towards improving the coaches at a club level, so that when it comes to state training, time does not need to be invested in the fundamentals (stance being a prime example), but can be invested into further advances in skills, or even just reps of a technique. There were many offensive linemen who came to the recent Outback tour who had woeful technique, especially when it came to pass protection. Is it the fault of the players? Not so much as I believe the coaches.

To try and put a more positive spin on the situation, there are plenty of guys out there who are working hard. JR from WA is a prime example- not only does he strive to get better as a teacher of a position, but he constantly works on getting the latest information on schemes, both that he runs, and others run.

I don't pretend to know all the coaches in the country (and tip my hat to anyone who is willing to give up their time to teach), but rather than having a handful of motivated coaches who are passionate about learning, imagine if we had a handful in each state? Or further than that, a handful in each club? I have been very lucky to learn under two extremely dedicated coaches who fit that mold perfectly (Steve Dunne and Andrew Ogborne), and this has filtered down to lower level coaches in our club. Imagine how much more effective each state, and the Oz team would be if we could do this?

In the spirit of sharing, here are some resources to highlight exactly how easy it is to get the information.

http://www.thecoolclinic.com/

This is a group of offensive linemen who meet every year for a clinic. They record these clinics, and you can get them on DVD. I have a few of these DVDs, and the knowledge you pick up is fresh from the best coaches in the US. Can we use it all? Hell no. We don't have the athleticism to use many of the techniques. Can we learn something? Absolutely.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0_17?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=coach+of+the+year+clinics+football+manual&x=0&y=0&sprefix=coach+of+the+year

These manuals are done every year, and are a transcript of lectures given by top US coaches. You name a topic, there is something to learn on there. At less that $20 a book, it's well within any club/state's budget, and the knowledge is invaluable. I've got the last 6 years worth, and I have picked up more from these than anything else.

I just want to sign off by reinforcing that this wasn't meant to be critical of any individual, but I wanted to highlight an area I think our country can build on for the future, and is an easy change to make. We will never be able to recruit the top athletes in this country, so we need to do something to use the resources we have, and setup foundations so that each state and Oz team is not a fresh start, but builds on a solid base.

More than happy to chat any time about any of these points

Dave Thode
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